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The state of the republican party

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  1. DatRocketFan

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    What a weirdo using executive order to pass your agenda isn't a dictator move. Presidents do this all the time. Hell trump 1 term double either Obama terms.

    Trump forced his stupid wall down folks throat, u don't see folks accusing him of being a dictator.

    I could accuse u the same sht wekko. Your goal aligns with a dictator (trump), must mean u support dictators. What a moronic way of thinking.

    Just bc u don't support loans or bidens agenda doesn't mean hes a dictator. The beauty of this country is that before trump there was a peaceful transition of power for president of any party.

    If we didn't have all this check and balance, trump would have literally become a dictator by btching his way that election was rigged.
     
  2. wekko368

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    It does when the executive order in question exceeds the President's authority.

    If you're going to accuse me of aligning with Trump, then the onus is on you to provide proof.

    Please do so.

    What you fail to realize is that there are plenty of conservatives who don't support Trump.
     
  3. Andre0087

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    I must’ve missed it, when did Trump concede the election?
     
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/tru...w-administration-will-take-office-jan-20.html

    • President Donald Trump acknowledged for the first time that President-elect Joe Biden’s administration will take charge on Jan. 20.
    • “My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power,” Trump said in his first address to the nation since the Capitol riot by a Trumpist mob.
     
  5. DatRocketFan

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    No sht he had no other choice after Jan 6 riot failed.

    Man is still btching to this day about how the election was rigged.

    Also if Biden excutive order on student loans is consider a dictator power move since the executive order in question exceeds the President's authority. It's up to congress to veto it.

    There are many check and balance that r in place in the country to prevent a president from abusing his power and becoming a dictator.

    If not folks could btch any excutive order is consider a dictator move since it literally exceeds the president authority.
     
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  6. wekko368

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    Conceding is still conceding. How often do dictators concede power?
     
  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Clearly he is not a dictator because he isn't in power. That being said, would you agree that by his actions he's a wanna be dictator?
     
  8. wekko368

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    Sure, I agree with that. If he could've been a dictator, he would've been.
     
  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Would you agree that in trying to encourage Pence to manipulate the voting process on January 6th to usurp the Constitution and all of his lost lawsuits and his office call to Georgia to "find" 18000 or so votes that he was trying really hard to be a dictator
     
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  10. wekko368

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    I would not. I would disagree that "trying to encourage" anything qualifies as "trying really hard to be a dictator". Similarly, going through proper legal channels (and losing) doesn't scream "dictator" to me.
     
  11. DatRocketFan

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    All I know is accusing folks of supporting Biden student loan moves
    akin to folks backing a dictator since it goals align with the common folk agenda is wrong.

    Biden is not a dictator, an excutive order is something all presidents could do and if folks truly felt that it an unethical power move its up to congress to veto it.

    Just bc u don't like bidens agenda or it doesnt align with u wekko doesn't mean Biden is a dictator. He use his powers as the way it was designed and if u felt wronged, blame the other branches of the government for not stopping him. It's their job to keep him in check.
     
  12. wekko368

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    Do you understand the difference between normal executive orders and executive orders that exceed the President's authority?

    Because it truly seems like you don't.

    Nevermind. You think that congress can veto executive orders. You're out of your depth here.
     
  13. DatRocketFan

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    Pffft who are we to differentiate normal excutive order vs excutive orders that exceed the President's authority. U didn't like bidens move so u accuse him of abusing his power.

    If Biden over exceeds his authority, u figured congress or the judicial branch that is stacked with conservatives would do something about it.

    Just admit it u didn't like bidens move so u falsely called him a dictator.

    We are a nation designed with check and balances to keep the branches from abusing their power, Biden played within the rule hence he isn't a dictator.
     
  14. Amiga

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    Concession is when you acknowledge you have lost the election. He never conceded.

    Concession (politics) - Wikipedia

    In modern U.S. elections (presidential or otherwise), a concession is usually a two-step process: first, the losing candidate makes a concession phone call to the winning candidate and congratulates them personally.[1] Second, the losing candidate makes a televised public speech, known as a concession speech, to their supporters, on an (improvised) podium surrounded by the candidate for the vice presidency, their spouses or other important relatives and friends.[9] The concession speech consists of four elements:

    1. The statement of defeat: an admission that the candidate has lost the election to their opponent, who is congratulated on their victory.[6]
    2. The call to unite: an expression of support for the victor's upcoming term in office, and a call for unity under their leadership, necessary after an often divisive and polarizing election campaign.[6]
    3. The celebration of democracy: a reflection on why democracy and the participation of millions of voters in the electoral process is important, and that their choice should be respected.[6]
    4. The vow to continue the fight: a reminder of the importance of the issues the candidate has raised during the campaign, and the policies their party advocates for. The candidate says that these remain important goals to strive toward, promises to continue fighting for them, and urges their supporters to do the same.[6]
     
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  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Trying to get Georgia to find votes wasn't a problem for you?

    Trying to get Pence to subvert the election wasn't a problem for you?

    These were the actions of a man trying to bypass the Constitution to remain in power.

    And what do we call a person who tries to illegally stay in power? I think we call that person someone who is really trying to be a dictator.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    Congress can enact legislation that counters an executive order. That legislation will have priority over an executive order.
     
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  17. DatRocketFan

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    Congress may try to overturn an executive order by passing a bill that blocks it. But the president can veto that bill. Congress would then need to override that veto to pass the bill. Also, the Supreme Court can declare an executive order unconstitutional.

    Checks and balance. No one did anything to Bidens move except btch about it. He aint a dictator.

    Unless u are now accusing folks in the government and the Supreme Court justices for backing a "dictator power play". The court is packed with conservatives with a 6 to 3 majority. If Biden over exceeds his authority like u falsely accused, shouldn't the Supreme Court declare the excutive order as unconstitutional?
     
  18. wekko368

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    So when he was talking about a smooth, orderly, seamless transition of power.....you don't think that qualifies as his acknowledgement that he lost the election?
     
  19. wekko368

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    And enacting legislation isn't a veto.
     
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    We just saw the Supreme Court's ruling against the EPA. The same logic can be applied to student loan cancellation.

    Would you be interested in a tip jar wager on whether or not the student loan cancellation is unconstitutional?
     

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