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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by larsv8, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. jo mama

    jo mama Contributing Member

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    i hear you, but if they havent had their come to jesus moment yet they never will...even people who have crosses in their profile pic.
     
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  2. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
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    Just for some context:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...isis-eroded-public-support-for-richard-nixon/

    Up until he resigned, Nixon's approval ratings never went below like 39%, IIRC.

    Nixon's locked into history as a bad guy now, but while it was going on, a significant fraction of the public viewed him as being unfairly targeted for political persecution. Imagine how mucj better he'd have done if he'd had Lauren Bobert/MTG on twitter and Newsmax/Fox/OAN on TV to carry his water at the time.
     
  3. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Given the media age we are in, 57% is higher than I expected. But ignore the poll and just do the right thing.
     
  4. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    A motion for a special master? WTF is this? lol
     
  5. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    NYT reported that Trump went through the boxes in late 2021 (implying he knew they were classified for months if not longer). Bring new light to his lies that suggests the FBI planted them and that he declassified them.


    https://www.reuters.com/legal/over-...ered-trumps-florida-home-ny-times-2022-08-23/

    WASHINGTON, Aug 22 (Reuters) - The U.S. government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from former President Donald Trump's Florida estate, including material from the CIA, the National Security Agency and the FBI, the New York Times reported on Monday, citing multiple people briefed on the matter.

    An initial batch of more than 150 documents marked as classified was recovered by the U.S. National Archives in January, the newspaper reported. Aides to Trump gave the U.S. Justice Department a second set in June, while a third batch was seized in an FBI raid earlier this month, it said.

    During its search, the FBI seized 11 sets of classified materials at Mar-a-Lago, some of which were labeled "top secret" - the highest level of classification reserved for the most closely held U.S. national security information and which can only be viewed in special government facilities.
     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    dafuq is a "SPECIAL MASTER"

    the whole text is purely about Trump's Ego and then in the end he says he's fighting for America

    Nah

    He is only fighting for himself, same as it has always been.
     
  7. Commodore

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    DoJ refusing transparency while leaking like crazy to the media.

    Par for the course.

     
  8. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Exactly par for the course.

    FBI investigations are always done quietly.

    Leak? Do you mean the FBI agent's name involved in the search? That was from the Trump circle. The purpose is to harass.

    Trump people want to know the insider that tipped off the FBI (this is what they called transparency) so they can nail him like they always have done to others. Par for the course. The judge is having none of that.
     
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    The DOJ didn't leak the raid. Donald Trump did. He doesn't get to complain about wanting it quiet now. The FBI and DOJ didn't leak any of their previous attempts to recover the information.
     
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  10. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...uch-trump-mar-lago-search-affidavit-rcna44190

    Reinhart also said in Monday's order that he remains confident in his decision to authorize the search warrant, having found "probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found" at Mar-a-Lago, including obstructing an investigation.

    "Having carefully reviewed the Affidavit before signing the Warrant, I was — and am — satisfied that the facts sworn by the affiant are reliable," Reinhart wrote.

    Reinhart's written order on Monday followed a hearing last week in which he gave the government until Thursday to propose redactions if the search warrant affidavit were to go public. Reinhart wrote that he agreed with the government that releasing the affidavit would provide a roadmap to the investigation, could chill cooperation from future witnesses, and could endanger investigators.

    As the Government aptly noted at the hearing, these concerns are not hypothetical in this case,” he wrote, noting that “there have been increased threats against FBI personnel since the search."

    The ruling cited NBC News reporting on the attack on the FBI field office in Cincinnati following the Mar-a-Lago raid. As NBC News reported, the Trump supporter who attacked the FBI field office had posted calls for violence against the FBI on Trump's Truth Social platform before the attack.

    After the public release of an unredacted copy of the [inventory of the search], FBI agents involved in this investigation were threatened and harassed," Reinhart wrote. "Given the public notoriety and controversy about this search, it is likely that even witnesses who are not expressly named in the Affidavit would be quickly and broadly identified over social media and other communication channels, which could lead to them being harassed and intimidated.”

    He added that the affidavit identifies “not just the facts known to the Government, but the sources and methods … used to gather those facts. That information is not known to the public. For the reasons discussed above, the Government has a compelling reason not to publicize that information at this time.”
     
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  11. leroy

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    You can tell that entire message was originally written in crayon. He's a 78-yr old child.
     
  12. Commodore

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    They aren't done quietly, they selectively leak details constantly to the WaPo/NYT
     
  13. glynch

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    The shocking this is the 43% who do not.
     
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  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
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    This is why he needs to be charged, and dealt with, the break will only get harder over time, and his cultists, many on this thread need to deal with reality.

    DD
     
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    I'm inclined to agree when I'm being more pessimistic. The only thing I hold out a sliver of hope for is that he will have competition in 2024 if he runs again. He didn't in 2020 since he was the incumbent and benefited in 2016 from a strong base of support in a crowded field. Hopefully the 2024 crowd is much smaller (Pence and DeSantis) and the GOP electorate who just vote for the magic (R) can coalesce against him faster than 2016.

    However, if he was doing something nefarious with nuclear secrets, he should be banned from running again and locked away.
     
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  16. No Worries

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    I'm glad you asked ...

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Trump tried to evoke privilege in April 2022 to block the National Archives from releasing classified documents (property of the government, not Trump) they retrieved from Trump's home to the DoJ and other intel agencies. NARA shut him down and released it to the DoJ for criminal investigation and other intel agencies to assess security damages and takes appropriate actions to protect US interests.

    Trump didn't have clearance once he became a regular citizen.

    Full text of National Archives letter to Trump on classified documents | Just The News

    May 10, 2022
    Evan Corcoran Silverman Thompson 400 East Pratt Street Suite 900
    Baltimore, MD 21202 By Email
    Dear Mr. Corcoran:
    I write in response to your letters of April 29, 2022, and May 1, 2022, requesting that the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) further delay the disclosure to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of the records that were the subject of our April 12, 2022 notification to an authorized representative of former President Trump.

    As you are no doubt aware, NARA had ongoing communications with the former President’s representatives throughout 2021 about what appeared to be missing Presidential records, which resulted in the transfer of 15 boxes of records to NARA in January 2022. In its initial review of materials within those boxes, NARA identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials. NARA informed the Department of Justice about that discovery, which prompted the Department to ask the President to request that NARA provide the FBI with access to the boxes at issue so that the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community could examine them. On April 11, 2022, the White House Counsel’s Office—affirming a request from the Department of Justice supported by an FBI letterhead memorandum—formally transmitted a request that NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes for its review within seven days, with the possibility that the FBI might request copies of specific documents following its review of the boxes.

    ...

    There are important national security interests in the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community getting access to these materials. According to NARA, among the materials in the boxes are over 100 documents with classification markings, comprising more than 700 pages. Some include the highest levels of classification, including Special Access Program (SAP) materials. Access to the materials is not only necessary for purposes of our ongoing criminal investigation, but the Executive Branch must also conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported and take any necessary remedial steps. Accordingly, we are seeking immediate access to these materials so as to facilitate the necessary assessments that need to be conducted within the Executive Branch.

    ...

    I have therefore decided not to honor the former President’s “protective” claim of privilege. See Exec. Order No. 13,489, § 4(a); see also 36 C.F.R. 1270.44(f)(3) (providing that unless the incumbent President “uphold” the claim asserted by the former President, “the Archivist discloses the Presidential record”). For the same reasons, I have concluded that there is no reason to grant your request for a further delay before the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community begin their reviews. Accordingly, NARA will provide the FBI access to the records in question , as requested by the incumbent President, beginning as early as Thursday, May 12, 2022.

    Please note that, in accordance with the PRA, 44 U.S.C. § 2205(3), the former President’s designated representatives can review the records, subject to obtaining the appropriate level of security clearance. Please contact my General Counsel, Gary M. Stern, if you would like to discuss the details of such a review, such as you proposed in your letter of May 5, 2022, particularly with respect to any unclassified materials.
    Sincerely,
    DEBRA STEIDEL WALL
    Acting Archivist of the United States
     
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    The rules don't apply to Trump. And that's okay because six years ago 4 employees of the FBI did some bad things that weren't bad enough to invalidate their investigation.

    But if an unarmed black person is killed by the police with a long history of racially motivated crimes against citizens, then it's their fault for not following all directions in the moment of heightened tensions.

    So, unarmed black citizens must follow all directions even with the history of discrimination, unlawful imprisonment, and murder.

    But Trump is okay to not follow repeated instructions, subpoenas, and preferential treatment by the DOJ/FBI because six years ago 4 people were naughty.
     
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  20. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Yea. Trump treats rules and laws as applicable to everyone except him. And when anyone holds him accountable to rules and laws, he rejects them as valid and claims some massive conspiracy against him. Both smart and dumb people buy into that - it's a cult.
     
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