Keep in mind you have left side of your fence unhappy with the fact the Durham investigation happened in 2019 in the first place ..why? Because it showed the unprofessional nature of the FBI and showed lawyers are VERY willing to falsify emails to benefit a investigation…sad fbi is sad…party before justice apparently
So again even though there is just a handful of incidences found and only one that rose to criminal justifies tarring the whole FBI. And by “investigative reprisals is jus the beginning” that you believe that further action against the FBI is justified? Are you then for defunding the FBI? Did you agree with those who believe that nearly all LEO are inherently racist because of LEO killing unarmed black men so that major police forces should be defunded?
And as someone on the right did you find the mueller report and the multiple convictions from that concerning?
And yet the Durham investigation and every other investigation showed that the investigation into Trump was warranted justified. That's the bottom line. He should have been investigated. Great to get rid of any unscrupulous elements out there. It is not rational to discount everything FBI related because of the unscrupulous elements. That is especially true with zero evidence to further implicate the current investigation. What is puzzling and inconsistent in your judgment is that you let these few examples tarnish everything the FBI does regarding Trump, but don't let the police Department's unscrupulous and even murderous elements taint any and all investigations into people of color. This is true even though there is a longer history of racial discrimination by law enforcement with far more serious offenses involved. The only area where you let a selective few examples of corrupt behavior influence your judgment is investigating Donald Trump.
Related: 100 people served prison time because corrupt cops in Chicago. These cases are still currently being investigated. So much corruption that cost people prison time. These cops did more than fake an email. They stole money, sold drugs, lied to imprison people, etc. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0210323-awvjaxszvjg5najbzaoloplrze-story.html
“Unfortunately you do realize investigative reprisal is just the beginning once republicans take charge” : read that again this time carefully and slowly…the truth is of it wasn’t for investigating the investigators we might not have found the one incident …How many other instances slipped thru the crack? Why did the FBI ask for internal and external surveillance cameras to be shut off at Mar A Lago ? What does the FBI have to hide? Why can’t the FBI conduct itself with more professionalism ..Sneaky Strzok, Lusty Lisa, McCabe, the FBI lawyer so bent on illegal acts towards Trump , the indictment of Michael Sussmann and other court filings reveal how senior members of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign formed a “joint venture” with lawyers, opposition researchers, foreign nationals, and computer data analysts to produce false opposition research against then-candidate Donald Trump …I don’t want republicans to weaponize the DOJ once they can but at this point Democrats have no one to blame but themselves - all I ask is let’s attack Democrats smartly thru extensive investigation if they do
Beyond the FBI lawyer illegal act there was two cases that led to charges: the one against Mr. Sussmann and another against a researcher for the Steele dossier, whose trial is set for later this year….that’s this year as in this year - it’s obvious the investigation is deliberate and currently still on going. I’m saddened and melancholy that enough evidence led to 3 instances of charges and that the FBI is in such disarray that even this year we are processing the travesty and mockery of what should be a highly regarded institution
The incidents occurred years ago and the investigation into Trump were still found to be justified. Your selective outrage simply isn't rationale.
This isnt a discussion, its rationalization. Roxran clearly cant accept the reality that Trump is obviously a criminal, so he is clinging to loose narratives, half truths, wrong conclusions to draw skepticism into the overwhelming evidence of Crime. This is cult behavior.
Interesting that the ultra conservative FBI has suddenly transformed into a deep state liberal agency with a singular mission to destroy Trump and his inner circle.
Not rationale like the Steele dossier I suppose, Not rationale like a FBI lawyer falsifying an email, Not rationale like Andrew McCabe lying to investigators https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/...ted-in-scathing-inspector-general-report.html Not rationale like a disastrous text exchange between sneaky strzok and lusty lisa exposing blatant unrestrained bias … There is a lot from the FBI that I just mentioned above that is not rationale as it relates to the Trump investigation treatment … Undeniable lying, Falsification of an email, a dossier with concocted and highly imaginative information that was proven untrue as a source … Some now all of a sudden after all the issues and problems and concerns, lying and illegal conduct… All of a sudden we are supposed to believe in the sanctity of the FBI? I’m sorry but I don’t
Nobody is justifying a fake email or texts that might show bias. But only you are discounting every other fact and holding the FBI to a different standard than any other agency of law enforcement. By the way, all of the things you mentioned didn't make even that investigation unjustified. The investigation all of those people were directly involved with was still justified. That is the findings from investigating that. This investigation has none of those people involved. If that one with all of those people involved was still justified, what does that say about this one with no evidence of wrongdoing? Has Trump denied having the documents? No. Even he hadn't denied that he had the documents. Yet, you are just excusing it all because of something unrelated that didn't even rise to a level to make that investigation into Trump unjustified. Give it a rest.
No thanks …I don’t think I will give it a rest when you have an institution that is supposed to be the best and brightest succumb to lying from its agents such as McCabe or falsifying data on an email such as the FBI lawyer in conjunction with other agents unrestrained verbal bias … Which caused dismissals in itself - The history of the investigation of Trump by the FBI is undeniable wrought in its failings.. I mean McCabe wasn’t a low level he was one of the highest leadership positions and was caught lying do you understand that? Is this something that is a routine? For someone to be that high level and be exposed so easily…wow dude… How can FBI agents be exposed so easily for blatant lying? How can the best and brightest keep from having a text fetish with slamming Trump while expecting to be unbiased and it’s investigation? How can a lawyer falsify a email that is supposed to be one of the best lawyers this country has to offer? Again so you take this information in this history of investigative failure from the FBI and then you look at the investigation now and you logically have to question that based on the history of the FBI investigating one person
Claiming that the failings of a few agents out of thousands taints the agency for rest of time, is silly. It is especially silly when you don't hold a single other law enforcement agency to the same standard. The other police departments have committed much worse atrocities many more times. Bottom line: You have provided zero evidence of wrong-doing in the current investigation. You haven't even shown enough evidence to invalidate the previous investigation.
This thread is supposed to be about Law enforcement morale And we need our law enforcement institutions to be held at a higher standard we cannot have mistakes, We cannot have coverups we cannot have lies we cannot have explicit bias in investigation and that goes across the board to anyone and everyone
One failing is too many just like one wrongful death is too many as well by a cop ..I completely hold Any law-enforcement agency accountable if you want to improve your morale you need to not make these kind of mistakes and bad decisions you need to stop the lying you need to stop the cover-ups …. Here’s the bottom line I’m sure there’s some good FBI agents and good FBI lawyers and even FBI leadership but as we all know a few bad apples ruins the whole organization and we lose the trust
Just one lie is too many (especially by a deputy director )…one Falsification of an email or information or a report is too many… A few agents ruins what good a organization can do and calls into question the history against a individual when such mistakes are made
First off Trumps own lawyer was present and witnessed the search of Mar A Lago she’s admitted that publicly so claims that the FBI were not acting transparently in the search are unsupported legally. Also you keep on repeating the same evidence of figures no longer working for the FBI and what neither Durham or Horowitz found undermined the overall investigation. Just repeating there names and adding childish nicknames hardly strengthens your point. Also note Michael Susmann was acquitted. and yes I read what you wrote carefully and “just the beginning” sounds like calls for greater consequences. So what is after the beginning? Are you for defunding the FBI? I apologize if it seems like I’m picking on you I don’t think you’re a bad guy and I think you can be reasonable but this is a very serious issue. The same week that the FBI searched Mar a Lago they also stopped an assassination plot targeting former members of Trump’s cabinet. This the type of the work the FBI does and it not only strains credibility that an agency is simultaneously so biased and unprofessional as to conduct illegal searches of a former President while also doing all it can to protect the life of those who served in that administration it’s almost ludicrous. This is why while I agree there should be oversight and reform of law enforcement blanket statements that agencies are so biased as they need to be defunded is not only Ham handed but dangerous. That is where I see your criticism is at. Your pushing a handful of incidences to claim that a handful of incidences Means a whole agency is biased. And for what? For a man who had several associates convicted and himself, while President, had to shut down his own foundation because it was swindling veterans. I believe you that you don’t like Trump but like so many you appear bound by ideology that you feel you have to defend him to the point of thundering about how the agency that is working hard to protect you and all Americans is really somehow the enemy. Ask yourself does Trump really deserve your defense or is this just about that you can’t stand the Left?
