It’s ok you can see things differently. Trump is a goofball but he didn’t deserve the falsifying email which was.. illegal , he didn’t deserve the late night texts between two extramarital FBI agents which appeared intent of bias regardless of action , the Durham investigations of the investigation also brought up concerning points although nothing illegal besides the falsification issue…So you could easily say yeah that went against Trump the things I’ve just said to some degree but he also got certain kind of benefit aspects as well and I understand that you brought that up pretty well but you can’t just say well you take the good with the bad you have to be even handed and Is it wrong to expect more from the FBI …Look I don’t like Trump I really want him gone I want someone fresh and someone who can work with the other side and do things that I feel is common sense as far as what is important for the majority,..But the FBI Should be better we should not have to investigate the investigators how embarrassing that we had to go there And actually find something illegal. I guess this proves that if you are willing to investigate anything you will find something eventually even among the best of us
Yes the FBI should be better than they were all those years ago. They took action and if this investigation is any indication, it looks like they are living up to the higher standards. One trivial point of contention is that Trump did deserve the text messages even though they were not sent to him. But he suffered nothing from the text messages. Hillary Clinton also did not deserve the bias from the FBI toward her.
Nobody deserves bias against them ….the text messages were irresponsible they came across as indicative of bias and when you couple that with illegal investigation acts , you start noticing things being connected as unfair behavior and procedures
Another point of contention is we need to ensure there is continued oversight we just don’t wanna have another illegal falsification email tied to mar a lago …
Not really possible. They said exactly what they hoped to find and where it would be in Mar-a-Lago. Sure enough, it was all there. That's not from fake emails.
Except this warrant and what they said they were seeking was exactly what they found. A fake email wouldn't allow them to know exactly what they were looking for and where they would find it. A fake email makes zero sense. And there is zero evidence of anything untoward happening in this case. You sitting behind a keyboard positing that it might be a fake email based on something that happened 2016 by people who no longer work there doesn't really make a strong case for anything other than you are biased by something that happened more than half a decade ago and aren't looking at the evidence in this case both against Trump and in favor of the FBI and DOJ. If you wanted to see proof the FBI and DOJ were doing a good job after past corruption, this would be it. At least based on what we know. I'm always willing to look at evidence if you or anyone else would like to provide it.
I’m hoping to give the FBI the benefit of the doubt but they showed it once before they are willing to perform an illegal investigation act if it is deemed necessary. If it happens once it could happen again …the example of bias conduct thru behavior and words was evident…
Unlikely. You are acting like one FBI screwup is a game changer for you … especially when the screwup affected Candidate Trump. It is like your concerns wrt the FBI are completely Trump centric. Just like. It is like you do not realize that that screwup had zero impact on the 2016 election. Comey’s comments in the final weeks of the 2016 campaign wrt the Hillary email investigation did have an impact … but I guess you are ok with that?
Yeah… calling bs on that one. I am 110% sure you aren’t “hoping” to see the FBI doing their jobs to investigate Trump because there is a legit evidence of a crime. It’s okay to admit the opposite which is the truth. I know you want to believe Trump is pure of heart and the world is out to get him because you love his policies. I think the conversations here would be much more productive if people cut the BS and just talked straight to each other.
Falsified email by a FBI lawyer is not a screw up , it’s a very illegal act during an investigation of Trump, (it cost the FBI lawyer his job, gave him a record of probation and if not for cooperation could have caused jail time) and it’s not just that … The Durham investigation started in 2019 indicates a coordinated effort by the Clinton campaign to disseminate false allegations against Donald Trump to win the 2016 election. Indictments filed by Durham show that the “Steele Dossier” and “Alfa-Bank” allegations of a conspiracy between Trump and the Kremlin were entirely concocted. It’s not how the FBI works and it’s not just Trump, any political person should not be targeted by bad or made up information and investigation should be free from bias and free from illegal conduct
I’m sorry you just can’t keep lying about this here. Are you trying to say all of this is fake?? https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download Durham after 3 years found that one allegation out of dozens that were verified was not verified. That doesn’t make the dozens of other verified issues to not exist or warrant investigation. The guy literally had a campaign manager who worked on behalf of Russia in Ukraine and during the campaign was passing along internal polling data for money to a Russian agent… and you think that’s not worth investigating?? Answer me this one question: In 2007, it’s found out that Obama’s campaign manager is getting paid by and having contact with an agent of the Iranian government. Then weeks later the Iranian government disseminates a digital disinformation campaign against John McCain. Would you or would you not support investigating Barrack Obama??
What exactly is a lie ? Don’t be lazy and paste a link…give me a specific instance and cite supportive evidence
It’s the Mueller Report for those who are too lazy. And you said it’s all fake. Not me. I read the report and they lay out the evidence pretty clearly, and prove it’s not fake. The Durham investigation found a few instances where the early stages of the investigation had evidence that didn’t meet journalistic standards to be reported but it’s not really his job to be a journalist referee. Still if that’s what Bill Barr wanted to waste whatever capital he had left on, that’s within his power to do. It’s his legacy he gets to defend and Durham has to have any indictments he brings vetted by a jury and judge. Nobody was indicted on false allegations. Everyone that was indicted got their day in court. I don’t see one single person that didn’t deserve to be investigated. You had senior Trump campaign and family members literally meeting with someone who self identified as a Russian government official offering “dirt” on Hillary and not reporting that to the FBI. How on earth does that not warrant investigation?
Again I haven’t said any lies however I did refer to the 2019 initiated Durham investigation (which is still ongoing today) which made corrections..,the culmination of those corrections I spoke of above prior and what you deem unmet journalistic standards was actually mistruths …there was made up information in the build up case against trump - my hope is those standards aren’t used against a democratic person but at this point in time I feel we are beyond that sad to say …we will see political retribution unfortunately in the future.
This is not a serious opinion. Try again. Trump in 2016 disseminated false allegations against Hillary (and his Republican primary opponents before then). It was kind of his thing.
Didn't the FBI help Trump win in 2016 in the first place? You'd think if the FBI was truly out to get Trump they wouldn't have even publicly announced their investigation into Clinton 2 weeks before election night back then. I mean sure, Trump still lost the popular vote by millions but it no doubt affected voter turnout in swing states where support for Clinton was already tepid at best. Without that, no Trump presidency and then there'd be no ability to steal classified documents after losing the Presidency in 2020. No quid quo pro with Ukraine in 2018. No two impeachments. No Kushner peace talks in the Middle East that just benefited him alone. None of this. Trump supporters should be thanking the FBI their boy has even gotten this far.
It’s obvious that people have biases. The standard of saying that FBI agents should have no personal biases is an impossible standard. What matters for FBI agents, or really anyone, is if they can conduct their job following procedures without bias influencing how they do it. This is especially important for LEO and why there are constitutional protections of due process. So far I’ve in this case of Trumps records I’ve seen nothing that shows a clear violation of due process. If anything there appears to be much more preferential treatment towards Trump than any other suspect under investigation would get. Regarding previous investigations of FBI conduct towards Trump while yes they did show that several FBI agents didn’t like Trump but only that one person committed acts that rose to being criminally charged with. Note neither Peter Strozk or Lisa page were criminally charged and Horowitz and Durham didn’t find anything that said that the overall surveillance and investigation of Trump regarding Russian collusion was illegal or without cause. Considering the size of the FBI that employs thousands this shows that overall it is very professional. Compare this to an investigation of the Minneapolis PD over the same that showed a much smaller law enforcement agency was riddled with hundreds of incidents of bias and as we know the convictions of four LEO over killing a suspect in custody. I get why some would want to thunder and continue to repeat that the FBI is corrupt because one lawyer was found to have falsified evidence and two agents were arming very unkind texts it strains credulity though that employees who no longer work for the FBI and haven’t for years somehow still wield inordinate influence in the current FBI. If anything it just shows how desperate the defense is and how weak the actual legal defense Trump has.
