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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by larsv8, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    Obama didn't take classified documents and didn't refuse a subpoena when it was issued for the documents. This isn't about national archives but refusing to turnover over gov't classified materials wanted in an investigation. You must see that difference, no?
     
  2. Rileydog

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    Regarding “it is telling”, I thought you were a trumper. If not, perhaps that language shouldn’t have been used. Perhaps because I have no time or patience for people who express any sympathy for Trump or give him any benefit of the doubt, even where here, it appears you are more posting out of doubt regarding the credibility of federal agencies.

    As to the latter, in a vacuum, I have a little more patience for people having reasonable questions about how the FBI or DOJ operates. But little patience because that doubt is so much sowed by Fox News and other right wing bullshit, so it is rarely reasonable.

    But as applied here, the questioning of DOJ motives or actions serves to give Trump some grace, and I have zero time for that….particularly here where it is fairly clear cut that he declined to turn over docs in response to a subpoena.

    The inference on my part is that if the informant said trump had some random stuff, no way Garland signs off. The informant must have said that Trump kept documents that had serious national security implications. That’s the only way Garland goes in.

    if it turns out the Informant was wrong, that’s a tough L for Garland to take but that’s pure hindsight. If the informant was right, then good, prosecute Trump.
     
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  3. Rileydog

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    they would be awesome keepsakes or things to frame for Mar a lago walls.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    FBI took out the trash

     
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  5. Reeko

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    more blabbering from the mindless drone

     
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  6. Blatz

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    I haven't been paying attention today as I have been a tad busy but has it changed from classified documents to presidential records?
     
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    source

     
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  10. CCorn

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    We may not need a gun buyback program if enough of these idiots keep storming government property.
     
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  11. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    Sounds like a p*rn name.
     
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  12. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    What does it say on the banner?
     
  13. CCorn

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    Man gets gangbanged by the fbi
     
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    As a guy with a graduate degree in US History and someone who has done research at NARA and in presidential libraries, I have to say your knowledge of the Presidential Records Act, the Federal Records Act, and NARA's responsibilities and actions in general leaves a lot to be desired.

    For example, the agreement you mention can only mean the agreement to designate a presidential library facility and agree on the director of the library. As in, "Hey NARA, the Reagan Presidential Library will be built in Simi Valley and we'll be ready to accept NARA staff and the records and materials in January of 1990. Also, I want Tom Jones to be the first director. Is that OK with you?" It has nothing to do with records ownership or access or borrowing or whatever it is the Trumpies want to call theft of government property.

    Now, these acts aren't exactly rocket science, but they are complex pieces of legislation that relate to complex systems of information.

    Here's the US Code link to the PRA: https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html

    And links to everything in the FRA: https://www.archives.gov/about/laws#presrec

    A few notable passages:

    There is no wiggle room.

    Trump did not do this. We have ample evidence, including toilet photos, that he did not do this. If he didn't do it as president, why would he do it as an ex-president?

    There's a lot more about this, but the point is there is a legal process for the destruction of records and the declassification of records. There is no unitary executive when it comes to presidential records.

    At 12:00 on January 20, 2021 those records were the responsibility of the National Archives regardless of what box they were in, where they were physically located, or whatever Trump decreed during the last minutes of his presidency.

    Past presidents have hired researchers to go into the archives and make copies of unclassified documents when writing their memoirs. They don't get the records delivered to their home.
     
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    Name a person who has had more DoJ manhours and money dedicated to investigating them than Trump

    Its probably close to $100M at this point

     
  16. CCorn

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    Ok. So Commodore wasn’t in Ohio.
     
  17. Reeko

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    What makes a mindless drone like Ricky Shiffer any different than a kamikaze pilot or those dudes yelling out “in the name of Allah” before blowing themselves up?

    What do u even put on the tombstone? “Here lies Schiffer, who died doing what he loves best…fckery”
     
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  18. Xopher

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    Does she still have blood coming out of her wherever?
     
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  19. CCorn

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    “Here lies someone that trump doesn’t respect because he got caught”
     
  20. Blatz

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    No, he has to stay active to push the cover story of the shooters being antifa trying to set up trumpers
     

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