I very much think a Trump like candidate could emerge from the Democratic Party and certainly in history there have been many demagogues and ultimately tyrants that came from Leftist movements. In the history of the Democrats there was Huey Long and I could easily see a more successful Huey Lonf emerging. A lot of Trump’s blue collar support comes from the message of the common people being oppressed and taken advantage by wealthy financial, political and cultural elites. Similar messages are made from many on the Democratic side. The big difference is that Democrats don’t also include Nativism and cultural conservatism in them. I could easily someone from the left taking those arguments and going even further to argue that the very institutions of Consitutional government are holding people down and that person then could ride a wave into office and then proceed to undermine the very same principles that we worry that Trump is.
I could see an authoritarian gaining support on the left after this mess we saw. But there won’t be another trump. The left at least requires their candidate to be literate.
Yeah but the demogogues of the past in the Democratic Party came about because of a working class populist base that is rapidly abandoning the party. Yes there are some loony far left types that have made some noise but they don't have the constituency nationwide to win a primary anymore. Populist Democrats used to be able to sell working class voters in Appalachia, the Rust Belt and the South on whatever populist message was popular at that moment. But those voters have defected to the Republicans so the primaries now consist of minorities and urban/suburban voters. I just dont think the voter base in the Democratic Party exists for a truly populist movement. The best case is a younger, more charismatic Bernie Sanders type. 2016 was the inflection point because many of those populist leaning voters were still hanging around the Democratic Primary and a stronger populist type candidate could have snuck up on Hillary. The other thing to note is that Democratic primaries largely allocate delegates proportionally while Republicans use more winner take all primaries or primaries where the winner takes a large majority. It allows a populist to pick off huge amounts of delegates with a plurality of the vote (which is what Trump did). It's much harder to do that in the Democratic Party system (especially now that caucuses are almost extinct).
They aren't making fun of actual terrorism, they are making fun of idiots who call people terrorists that have never hurt anyone. In California law (and probably other state and federal law, though that isn't my area of expertise) there is a rule where if the evidence fits more than one scenario and at least one points to innocence, you must accept the one that points to innocence. You see it as automatically being pressure to overturn an election. I suggest that perhaps he actually believed he won the election and was asking the governor to investigate that. If you only look at it in the one way, sure it does. I just don't think that is the only way to look at it. Again, I don't and have never supported Trump, so this seems like a lot of words about how Trump is bad. Okay? I will continue not voting for Trump. I feel like for the first time in forever, the Supreme Court is actually defending the constitution. The Democrats were outraged by it an called for impeaching Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Barrett. How can you seriously argue that Trump is uniquely dangerous for going after judges that rule against him, when the Democrats are doing that right now? Apparently you missed Schumer, Ocasio-Cortez, et al. doing it for the past year. No member of the legislative or executive branches should be infringing on the independence of the judiciary. Mandating access to abortion. When they are talking about codifying Roe, that is what they are doing. That is not federalism, that is a top-down takeover by the federal government. The result of the Dobbs decision was federalism, and the Democrats pretended like it was a nationwide implementation of the Handmaid's Tale. Here is an article on the gay marriage bill: House passes bill codifying same-sex marriage right, with some Republicans joining Democrats - ABC News (go.com) Abortion rights: House expected to pass bill to restore abortion rights previously protected by Roe v. Wade - CBS News Contraception rights: US House passes bill to codify right of access to contraceptives - JURIST - News Are you really going to keep pretending like Democrats support federalism and state's rights? But I don't support Trump. So, what is the issue? That I don't attack him hard enough? Did you need another Trump bad thread? I think Trump bad has been adequately addressed.
The State of the State of the Republican Party thread is that it's 3 days worth of a right wing, Not-Republican in Name Only protesting that he's not a Republican, he's just a fundamentalist constitution bro who happens to politically align with them on all salient issues and most of the petty ones. Good ****.
Don't be so naive. He knew damn well he lost. Like those guys armed and wanting to kill the Vice President, instead beating down cops who tried to stop them? Oh yeah, you minimized their intent, which was made known by the radicals themselves under oath.
You’ve given me before a laundry list of the things you care about from a policy perspective and every single one of those things has happened to a certain extent because Donald Trump was president and not Hillary Clinton. He represents everything you support from a policy perspective and you openly admit it. So why do you expect us to let you off the hook just because you come on here and constantly say “but I don’t support Trump” therefore debate me like a normal independent swing voter. Let’s play a game where anyone here can pick a MAGA policy and get your opinion on it and guess which side of the equation you’ll be on. I’m not saying I want you and others to be MAGA, but if you want to wear the hat of “taken seriously” independent look at how posters like Juan Valdez or Durvasa discuss the topic of the day. They don’t go on 8 paragraph diatribes blaming Democrats and excusing Trump and the GOP for the things they do.
Trump wasn't just asking to investigate. He was literally asking for Raffensberger to find the votes. It didn't matter what the exact number of votes just enough to overturn the election. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html Sure many Democrats say a lot of things. Neither of the people you cited are President who is in charge of one of the three branches of government. For that matter this isn't just about criticizing a ruling but not complying with rulings. I felt that Schumer also used some inflammatory languange about judges yet I see little comment from the right about the inflammatory languange that Trump has been using towards judges. Going to point out that many Republicans have said at the earliest chance they will also pass a law that will outlaw abortion nationally. I've never claimed that Democrats were the party of Federalism or States Rights only that nearly all Republicans would address those. Trump though doesn't really believe in those principles. So while you propably don't like Democrats for good reason is that better than a mercurial President who will betray those principles for personal gains. I get it this is really only a BBS on a basketballl fan site. You can listen to me or not. What I am saying is that even from the post above I think you're downplaying the danger of this,I think you continue to downplay things what like happened on Jan. 6th, and I think you're downplaying what just happened last weekend at CPAC. This isn't a bunch of internet edgelords out to own the libs or cosplayers This is elected officials, foreign leaders, and a former President who from nearly all polling is very well positioned to be the nominee for the Republican party and to be President again.
Yes the Democratic primary rules do make it harder for a single candidate to pile up wins. That's why the 2008 and 2020 primaries went on for so long. It's not impossible though and given relatively weak or uncharsmatic candidates, which the Democrats frequently put up, I think a charismatic demagogue could easily capture the nomination. A Democrat populist coalition wouldn't be the same as the Trump coalition but not only would it be young but likely urban based, and diverse. Like many other revolutionary movements it would likely be very focussed on college students.
If he actually runs, that add needs to be in rotation at least every 3 hours and include all the republicans who sai the same thing.
I don't even think he is actually a Trump supporter, he just likes to "debate" and It's not even really debating, it's just using a veneer of logic that allows him to refute anything said by a democrat or left leaning poster. It would not be so bad if he actually debated in good faith, but he just says the most illogical and farcical stuff, he actually debated for several pages that the lady that got shot on the 6th was somehow not really doing anything wrong and the cop was overzealous all the while sticking up for every other cop that was involved in a hinky shooting, just look at what he said about the Mabry and Brianna shootings.
Printing more money is going to not only make the economy worse, it will most likely turn this into a recession. Facts are when it costs more to make and transport goods costs of buying those good is going to go up. That's economics. What will happen is after the current socialist regime goes out of office the cost of products might go down some but not back to the levels they were at before the Biden regime took over. So right now there's not price gouging, but you can count on there being a higher cost of living in the future. I believe in the 2nd amendment and I'm fully armed as everybody should be during these violent protest times. Ask yourself why these violent acts are happening and where they're happening. They're happening in places where shooters know people are unarmed and they have been happening in the 20 years since the progressive left has taken over. Arm everybody and this violence is less likely to happen More people have died since Biden has been in office than under Trump. That shouldn't have happened due to the time needed to develop better therapeutic drugs. Idoits running around the halls of Congress isn't an insurrection. Google Sri Lanka if you want to see what an insurrection looks like. Now the govt is going to hire and arm 85,000 IRS agents and if you think they're only going to go after the wealthy you're wrong. They're going to go after everybody including the small restaurant owners who pay their waiters in cash. I dont care for Trump the man, but I like Trump's policies and this doesn't even take into account that Biden is compromised when it comes to China. Really what you prefer is a govt controlled society over a free society. I want less govt in my life, you obviously want more govt in your life.
Care to expound on your thoughts? What's not true and what do you not like about Trump's policies? I dont want to hear about the man, stay focused on his policies' vs the policies of Biden which is what has gas at 4 to 6 dollars a gallon and food prices up over 10%. You must want more govt intrusion in your life, not less.
I'm going to be fine, I feel sorry for the lower middle class/poor. They're going to be the people who suffer the most from Biden's policies. Of course most of them voted for Biden so they're getting what they voted for.
