Yea, that is just hope. His actions last offseason prove it. He could have just taken the qualifying offer. Nope, I'm going to hold a exhibition where every team can watch me and get a bidding war going. Turned it into 25 mil with a player option coming off TJ at age 39....
I'm not saying he's going to give a deep discount. But I think he will stay if the Astros give a reasonable and competitive offer. HOPEFULLY he appreciates all the Astros have done for him. He can not deny that 1) Astros gave him information and change recommendations that improved his performance and likely won him a Cy Young. 2) Astros planned a system and schedule that absolutely maximized his 2023 season after TJS. ( so far) If he values an organization that will help him pitch 3-6 more seasons he should have confidence above any other organization. That part is all hope.
If he wants 300 career wins as fast as possible, sticking with the team on pace to win 100 games for the 4th time in the last 5 full seasons is a safe bet.
That was what I was asking you about on what the extensions would be in your mind. So, tell me. Give me what you think are realistic numbers to extend our guys not yet in arbitration.
No. I have no idea what they might get but I know your numbers are way too low Just look at what Musgrove is making with comparable numbers at the same point.
I don’t understand how fans talk themselves into players wanting anything but the money. JV will go to whoever offers him the most money and 4/5 years. He’s been vocal about wanting to pitch to 45.
Let us give all the glory to Christ, brothers and sisters. All will be well for the next 5 years as a result.
Dude, Musgrove was going to be a FA at the end of this year. He got 5/100 or 20 million a year for his FA years, when he was within 3 months of FA. Javier will likely make something like 20 million total the next 3 years. So, a 5/50 contract would be the equivalent of locking down a 2/30 million dollar FA deal for him, 3 years early, when he could easily shred his arm between now and the time he can be a FA. Musgrove was an all star this year. Javier isn’t even close to that. You are comparing apples with pomegranates. Chris Sale signed for 5/32 at the exact same point in time in his career, going into his first year of arbitration. That was about 8 or 9 years ago and he was much more accomplished at that point in time than Urquidy, Garcia or Javier. Chris Archer signed the same kind of deal a year or two later. You are kinda being a dick while missing the entire point of the valuation on those deals. I’m pretty sure they are reasonably close to correct and maybe a little bit of an overpay (if anything) based upon what prior pitchers with 3 years of arbitration had left when they signed extensions.
The Bird in hand (Sign lower AAV in exchange for more years) hasn't been worth much lately since some owners just throw in years 7-15 like they're nothing. It has only worked out in a hand full of cases.
Not only does JV want to pitch well into his 40s, he wants to win and maybe hit the 300 win mark. I could see Crane giving JV a multi-year, competitive contract with player options after each year.
Realistically, if he wants 300 wins as fast as possible, he should sign with the team that can pay him and has the best offense. Unfortunately in that case it is probably the Yankees. But I really hope not.
This just isn't true. His main motivation is to win as many games possible with the time he has remaining. To hopefully get to that magical 300th win. Of course he's not going to take some low ball offer either. Nor is he going to sign with a team like PITT even if they offer him the most $. It will be a combination of the $ offered, gives him a strong opportunity to add wins, organization he trusts, playoff team, and a location that he and his wife would enjoy. He's seen what Scherzer signed for and I would expect him to sign for something the same and he'll no doubt get it (3/130) or possibly even more.
JV pays attention. He understands that pitchers get hurt in NY. Pitchers improve, win gamrs, and stay healthy ( except Lance) in Houston. Although I must admit that JV will probably be given license to do his own training/readiness process. Crane should give him the Clemens treatment and let him skip road trips he doesn't pitch. Even let him fly in the day before his turn and fly out after.
I think on JV, as long as the offer isn't a horseshit lowball offer like it was to Correa, he'll stay. If it's a similar offer, he gone.
While, I don't think the Astros expected to keep him once the offseason started and the offer may have just been a courtesy, I'm not sure the Astros offer to Correa wasn't the best offer (i.e., it wasn't a lowball offer even if that was the intention). He turned it down. Astros moved on to getting Verlander. When Correa couldn't do better, he tried to reengage with the Astros, but the Astros had already moved on.
He actually could do better, he just chose not to. Detroit offered him 10/275. I wonder if he wishes he had just taken that, or if he's fine with where he is now?
I stand corrected. I'm sure he wishes he had accepted that offer. Correa is one of the few times a player that has waited to sign has basically been left without a big multi-year contract.
YET Correa will opt out and get at least that $275M this season, though it may not be 10yrs. Maybe 8-9. Plus the $35M he's making this year. In the end he will get what he wants. I wish they had resigned Correa, but I'm fine with how it turned out. The bottom line is that with Pena in the hole, Carlos was not as valuable to the Astros as other teams. Or where he valued himself. No ill will. That's baseball. Alvarez signed an extension that may not have happened if the team was on the hook for $300M for Correa and an owner committed to paying ( keeping money available at least in hopes) Verlander. Pena would definitely not be here and he is fun to watch. Maybe not as good as Correa but really fun to watch. I'm appreciative of the past and excited for the future.
Yeah, that's my point, you had some of our pitchers taking 50 million. No a 2/30 million contract is not equivalent to 5/50 because you get another bite at the apple quicker and still get 10 million more over the same years. It's obvious really don't have a clue, and now you are just hoping something sticks. Musgrove got 100 million not 50 million what part of that don't you understand? I'm missing the point of valuation? Da ****?
I get that they've only won one WS But the astros are essentially a dynasty. And it's not like the core of the team is on the tail end of their careers. This team likely wins 100 games 3 to 4 times over the next 5 years. They will go for it when applicable. Reasonable to likely. If I was betting I am taking the likelihood that they win one in the next 5 years. Maybe this year.
