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Joe Biden's America

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SuraGotMadHops, May 12, 2021.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Change is usually difficult and there has a been a lot of change in rural America in the last few decades. For many of the people who's family have lived in these communities where everyone pretty much thought the same, worshipped the same, spoke the same languange and looked the same. It is has been a difficult transition.

    It wouldn't surprise me if many of them were willing to take economic decline of their communities over them become multicultural and diverse.
     
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    The GOP would never agree to that nor would most of the Democratic party. Any serious move like that would cost billions and be difficult to enforce. Beyond that though it would cripple our economy and lead to the collapse of several industries notably agriculture and construction.

    The idea that "illegals" work well below the minimum wage isn't really supported by data. Most immigrants are paid over minimum wage and in construction many are paid well above that. Many US citizens though have shown no interest in working many of these jobs. That is why we've had low unemployment for most the last decade but there is still a demand from businesses to hire immigrant labor.

    The answer needs to be to bring our immigration laws more in line with the supply and demand. Rather than having a black market of labor these immigrants should be brought into the system with their labor regulated and taxed like any other labor.
     
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  3. Xopher

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    I agree 100%, the "immigration crisis" is a dog whistle. They know we need these people. They just want political points for their base.
     
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  4. ROCKSS

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    My brother is a small time horse trainer just south of Dallas and he regularly uses "illegals" to help him around the ranch, he gives them housing and food and then pays them in cash, they are treated with respect and there the only folks he can afford. When I lived in Omaha half the meat packing plants were routinely getting busted by ICE, it happens everywhere. Most white folks would not want or could not afford to work for the wages they provide. The meat packing plants are some of the worst conditions imaginable, not from a safe environment but what they actually have to do. From the moment the animal is killed to the dismemberment of the animal to final production is just gross and oh my gosh the smell. Head down to Springdale Ar, home of the largest chicken kill plants and you find the same thing, the guys doing the actual work are not white, they are men and woman of color. I know one company who brings in people from Nigeria on Visa`s because finding people is harder now then ever. I am not smart enough to know what the answer is but I do know there is so much hypocrisy about open borders and what companies need to operate
     
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    Have you ever visited east Texas towns like Jasper and Vidor? Yeah...they're more than happy being sundown town sh*tholes.
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Meat packing has always been a terrible job and it’s also often been the job of immigrants. Many of the communities of Polish and Eastern European immigrants in many parts of the Midwest were based on meat packing.
     
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  7. rocketsjudoka

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    I’ve been through Vidor and didn’t stay long.
     
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    LOL, did you think that would make me take the bait?
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    looks like you just did ;)
     
  10. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I don't know what you are talking about. Being unable to counter my arguments or provide any challenge to the facts I provided you, you wisely capitulated and I accepted. I'm surprised you felt the need to further respond.
     
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    Why junk food stocks are surging

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html

    excerpt:

    New York (CNN Business) People are stressed out and exhausted. The past two and a half years, full of public health crises, recession and inflation, have been so eventful that news of a possible alien invasion barely even made a blip. Nights are sleepless and days restless, and we need an extra boost to keep us going.

    That might help explain why investors are amped for candy, cola and chips. Hershey's (HSY)stock is up 19% this year. Coke (KO) is up nearly 10%. Pepsi (PEP) is up 4%. (Reminder: the overall market is down 10%). Inflation has taken a bite out of retail sales, but people are biting back — and sipping, too.
    more at the link
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The GOP lie is that there is an open border with millions of people flooding in.

    Far more of the illegal immigrants to this country are just people overstaying their visa, who entered legally. It's a total dog whistle to hate.
     
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    FIFY
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    If you are going to alter my quote, I just ask you make it more obvious you are changing it and what you are changing as the FIFY doesn't always do that. I am not here to call any group of people stupid.
     
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    Why Nigeria? Seems fishy...

    Anyhow, the treatment immigrants go through at that plant, plus the "natives" resistance to support their work related injuries is yet another story how we eat the hidden second class and fuel our base economy.
     
  16. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    There were literally 1.7 million illegal border crossings that were discovered Oct. 2020 - October 2021. Estimates for capture rate rank from 50 to 70 percent or so. That means 2.5 to 3.4 million people are flooding in (that would be millions) with as many as half potentially avoiding capture. Visa overstays are also a major problem, but millions of people flooding across the border is a fact, at least according to the New York Times.
     
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    The 1.7 million number is ENCOUNTERS, not INDIVIDUALS. These are repeated individuals who get intercepted and expelled, then try to come in and get intercepted again and again. They are not getting through in record numbers as you claim.
     
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    If you say that 70% are apprehended, then the number that "floods in" uncontested is below a million mark @around 600K. From same source you post we're told that more than half of apprehended is turned away.

    So I would not use word "literally" if I were you
     
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  19. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    When I click on that article, it shows it was published in 2018. Where is the article with the 2020-2021 numbers?

    From the linked article:

    Received: October 2, 2017; Accepted: July 10, 2018; Published: September 21, 2018


    ETA

    Ahhh... never mind. Those are 2 separate links.
     
  20. foh

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    There are two articles. I've made the same mistake at first.
     
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