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Joe Biden's America

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SuraGotMadHops, May 12, 2021.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    How about stop vilifying them?
     
  2. ROXRAN

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    Okay but I’m not - I just want it done in accordance with the laws that are on the books about entry and I’m completely fine with it
     
  3. Astrodome

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    He hasnt increased taxes so he has kept that promise so far.
     
  4. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol. Sure thing champ.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    Okay. Tell Trump, other GOP politicians and the many faces of the right wing media bubble to stop vilifying them or don't support them entirely
     
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  7. rocketsjudoka

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    The problem with our immigration laws is that they are so out of whack with supply, the amount of people coming here, and demand, the businesses that want to hire them. Laws that are largely out of touch with supply and demand will always be hard to enforce and will be widely broken. In every case a black market will arise to fill in that disparity.

    Sure it’s fine to say that people should respect and we should enforce the laws but that goes to every law yet I’m sure nearly everyone has strictly kept to the speed limit when driving or always crossed a street at a designated crosswalk.
     
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    Nobody on the right in power wants to address the actual problem with our labor shortage because it would be bad for them politically. The fact is we actually need A LOT of the labor force especially in the middle of the country, and red states. There's not enough of that labor force either with legal immigrants (most of which are coming here with education from countries like India and are highly skilled) or with teen's looking for their first jobs with no housing to pay for.

    But brown people in small town middle America is bad politics for Republicans even though their local economies need immigrants to help support their local business infrastructure greatly.

    So you then have the reality we are in now which is:

    -No legislation on purpose
    -Vilification
    -illegal crossings & Visa stays (vast majority)
    -concentration of illegal immigrants in areas less needed
    -Areas of the country suffering because they need those workers but those immigrants wont go there because of the vilification & likelihood they are deported
     
  9. jiggyfly

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    Nope, not falling for it.
     
  10. subtomic

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    When it comes to immigration, I find it odd that Republicans are so quick to demonize people who are largely coming from desperate circumstances and who are working tough, menial jobs that almost no American is willing to work. Meanwhile, not a word is said about the companies that are offering the jobs to the undocumented immigrants, and then using their status to avoid payroll taxes.

    If Americans want to stop undocumented immigration, then it's really quite simple - instant company death penalty and a fine equivalent to 100% of the company assets for any company caught with undocumented immigrants in their workforce. I'd even suggest prison time for either the owner or the board of directors - let their be some skin in the game for individuals who would use a company as a shield for lawbreaking.

    Any GOP want to support this?
     
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    Yes this is very true in the Upper Midwest where agriculture and meat packing have become very dependent on immigrant labor.

    When I first moved to Mn I visited Worthington, Mn in the corner of Mn near Iowa and SD. It was almost all white and almost no one spoke a language other than English. When I went through there a couple of years ago the Main Street had several Taquerias and I stopped to get lunch at a place where everyone in there was speaking Spanish. This change was in less than 20 years.

    At the same time there’s been a backlash as much of Minnesota once considered to be more friendly and welcoming towards immigrants has embraced the Nativists attitude of much of the country. I’ve heard directly from white Minnesotas telling me how they fear they are being overrun by immigrants.
     
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    I told them. They sneered at me. I’m scared. What now?
     
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    Who is in charge of the country?
     
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    I SCREAM, YOU SCREAM, REUTERS SCREAMS…

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/i-scream-you-scream-reuters-screams.php

    I SCREAM, YOU SCREAM, REUTERS SCREAMS…
    POSTED ON AUGUST 2, 2022 BY JOHN HINDERAKER

    I am a day late with this, but it is still worth a chuckle. Someone posted a short video clip of Joe Biden walking away from his wife while she is speaking at a podium, and added ice cream truck music as though Biden is being lured away by the prospect of ice cream. This is what is commonly known as a joke:



    Note that Twitter flagged the video as “manipulated media.”

    But Reuters was taking no chances. It put its fact-checking operation to work.

    Social media users are sharing a video of U.S. President Joe Biden walking away momentarily during a speech given by U.S. First Lady Jill Biden and claiming that he was distracted by an ice cream truck. The video being shared, however, has been digitally edited to include music usually played by an ice cream truck.
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    Some posts also included photos with an ice cream truck in the background (here).

    The original video was posted on C-SPAN (here) on Sept. 10, 2021…. At around the 01:35 mark, Biden can be seen walking out of frame and returning a few seconds later, but no ice cream truck can be seen in the video nor can any music be heard.

    VERDICT

    Altered. This video has been digitally edited to include ice cream truck music as U.S. President Joe Biden walked away momentarily during first lady Jill Biden’s speech.

    Thanks for clearing that up, Reuters. What strikes me about this episode is that Reuters evidently believes that Joe Biden’s mental decline is so severe that people really will think that he wanders away in a fog when he hears an ice cream truck. In that respect, the “fact check” is unintentionally revealing.






     
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    That fact check was so necessary lmao . I’m dead
     
  16. Invisible Fan

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    Small towners have a perverse love-hate relationship with immigrants as they're the essential life blood of revitalizing dying towns (their kids mostly move to larger cities for better opportunities), but they don't like "walking around their town and feeling like it doesn't belong to them anymore". I remember seeing, hearing and reading similar complaints from outsiders when visiting California that "it was like another country".

    They're not necessarily stupid xenophobic yokels, but they don't like feeling crowded out (historically ironic). I don't think most of them want an implicit second class citizen status for immigrants, even though they support immigration laws that creates that exact situation. It's likely more attributed to a culture shock of first gen immigrants integrating (or not) with the community.

    What's also meddling with this culturally is that there's been media consolidation for those towns with a stronger skepticism against the MSM. So they take all these terms like woke/CRT, anti-vaxxx stuff, or even things related to the Liberal World Order...pretty much whatever Sinclair or Fox News commentary blasts, and it causes tensions among the community to shun local journos who report otherwise.

    It deepens the cultural divide and causes distortions on their perceptions of immigrants both from within and from what observers see on the outside.

    I guess this is one of those things you hope 10-30 years will resolve by itself where immigrants are integrated with the community and they hopefully move beyond their provincial thinking as a whole. I'm guessing those Latino immigrants desperately want to do as the Romans, and will likely help set the tone for that region's Red Party thinking in that similar time frame. The ones who become success stories, that is.
     
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    Yeah and to those people who feel like they’ve been overrun I’d ask them what they like more, local economic growth or being with all white people. Even in a bubble city like The Woodlands in north Houston you have so much of their restaurant, retail, hotel industry staffed by people of color who live in low income areas within 15 minutes of them in north Houston, Greenspoint, or even at an apartment complex across the street in Shenandoah.

    Point being, in the 21st century you cannot escape it. Either you can have economic growth or you can live in a po dunk town that’ll be in shambles before you know it with restaurants that only open from 5 to 7:30 on Thursday’s and Saturdays if you’re lucky and everything comes from a frozen box.
     
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    I keep proposing fining the hell out of the people hiring, but the GOP seems to be against that. It is pretty simple. If there is no demand then the supply lessens. If people coming over here knew they could not get a job to help themselves and their families then they would be less likely to come. Fine them out of business and they would no longer hire undocumented people.
     
  19. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    That's okay, I humbly accept your surrender.
     
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