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2022 Midterms

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Xerobull, Jan 8, 2021.

  1. Commodore

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    This is what I fear about the far right endorsements in the GOP...

    Steve Bannon, who is closely tied to the America First Secretary of State Coalition, said it outright: "We're taking over all the elections." "We're going to take this back village by village … precinct by precinct,"

    In Arizona, the leading Republican candidate is Trump-endorsed Mark Finchem, a member of the white supremacist group the Oath Keepers, who tried to decertify President Joe Biden's win in the state and attended the January 6 insurrection.

    In Nevada, the Republican candidate is insurrectionist Jim Marchant, a member of Nevada's fake slate of pro-Trump electors seeking to overturn President Biden's victory in 2020.

    In Michigan, Trump has endorsed Kristina Karamo, a far-right conspiracy theorist who claims that demonic possession can be sexually transmitted. Karamo to this day continues to spread the absurd lie that Trump is the true president of the U.S.

    Trump is trying to put people in power to certify him as the winner in 2024, whether he loses or not. This is scary. This is not what our Democracy stands for. This is more like what happens in a corrupt regime. Trump will do anything to win, as we saw before. If corruption has no punishment, he, or any other GOP Presidential candidate will succeed in stealing the next election. They need to throw the book at Trump and everyone else who was involved in the coup.
     
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    The Real Math on Moderation
    Democrats need to heed electoral reality.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/the-real-math-on-moderation/

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    To keep control of Congress this fall, Democrats must answer the question of how to reach and persuade swing voters, particularly in rural America. To do this, they must meet these voters where they stand—not just geographically, but ideologically.

    Research demonstrates that moderates do better and are more popular than extreme and ideological candidates. The record of the past few years drives that point home: Justice Democrats and Our Revolution, organizations that have been stalwarts of the progressive left’s post-2016 insurgency, have supported more than 100 candidates since 2018 but have yet to flip a single swing district. In fact, the four Justice Democrats-backed candidates who won in 2018 (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar) did so in such dark-blue strongholds that Joe Biden carried their districts two years later with more than 73 percent of the vote. When it comes to which kinds of candidates win the critical races that decide who controls the government and protects democracy, the progressive left lacks any electoral evidence to point to.

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    The hard facts of the case are clear: In general, moderates who can distance themselves from the Democratic party’s far-left national brand tend to do better in swing states than progressives who run toward it. Yet these facts have been overlooked by major national media in favor of a glossy story that suggests to progressives that they don’t have to make hard choices when trying to win swing districts. Not only have Maxmin and Woodward been featured in the Times, they’ve been highlighted by everyone from the New Yorker to Teen Vogue to Bill Maher.

    In making the fact-free case that Democrats can run as unabashed progressives without penalty in swing districts, such uncritical coverage only serves to weaken and divide us at a moment when our strength and unity against Donald Trump’s radicalized Republican party is paramount. With the stakes of our political moment as high as they are right now, it’s time to tell a more honest story about what it takes for Democrats to win and save democracy.
    more at the link
     
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  4. Amiga

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    No surprise here. SC decision on Roe (6/28/22) has a sharp effect on Independent.

    Democrats’ Generic Ballot Lead Among Independents Swells to New High - Morning Consult
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    Repugs doing their best to ensure a Dem-controlled Congress

    • GOP controlled SCOUS repealed legalized abortion;
    • the incompetent double-talking Kevin McCarthy reversed his position on assigning GOP members to the Jan 6 Committe; that's how the committee ended up w Liz Cheney and Adam Kinsigner, which has led to the unclothing of the orang hair [​IMG]
     
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    The problem moderates face since Gingrich (then unlimited donations from everywhere) has been survivorship bias. Obama won a score of Blue Dogs only to have them wiped out during the midterms of his first term.

    It's incredibly difficult to keep those swing districts because those constituents more likely to vote with their wallets and economy in mind rather than their core political values/principles. Moderates can promise a good and reasonable game (which enhances their Fresh Face Appeal), but Congress has its own numbers game.

    These freshmen/sophomores need strong district backing if they're ever going to rise up to earn any seniority or leadership in a top tier committee. But without a strong platform or conviction for each candidate, they eventually caucus with the rest of the party most of the time.

    For the op/ed's "reasonable" idea to survive, the author would need to dig into the "Blue Dogs" who recently won and see how they're fairing as freshmen and how their popularity has fared as Biden's numbers decline. Elissa Slotkin from Michigan gained attention for winning a hard fought campaign, but I haven't seen her in any recent soundbyte, nor do I really expect for her to do that as a freshman moderate.

    Media also plays a lot in distorting each Representative's power. I don't see why Slotkin's vote is necessarily less than AOCs though AOC definitely carries a bigger pulpit and resides in a safe district as allowance risk taking and shameless aggrandizing.

    The main problem I see isn't a Radicalization of Democrats, but rather their cozy relationships with Wall Street and Silicon Valley. When Dem Leadership wants to claim moral certitude by hailing bonafides from 70's era civil rights, environmental legislation, and union support, the relationships from the former creates a cognitive dissonance sharply felt by the middle to lower rungs of society.

    Maybe blue collar workers don't give a crap about culture wars/identity politics, college loan forgiveness or even a deeper rewrite to workplace discrimination, but they do know an unfair game with wages, jobs, and the economy when they see one. The fact that both parties now cede that responsibility to the Fed or even draw from the same pool of neoliberal advisors (except Trump) hasn't gone unnoticed.

    I don't think a moderate Dems would solve that. Moderates would probably rely on it more as its the economic orthodoxy, especially when ideas to directly help lower classes (outside of direct handouts for Everyone) are shunned as radical or "unfair and costly entitlements".

    That's one of the problems Trump appealed to his lowbrow followers that he was going to solve. Bernie made direct appeals to address that his following on the left when he ran for president.
     
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    The enthusiasm of likely voters is not looking good for the Democrats:



     
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    Also, the Republicans have apparently closed a 40 point gap with Hispanics since 2018, reducing the national margin to just 3 points.

     
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    The Political Environment Might Be Improving For Democrats
    By Nate Silver

    JUL. 29, 2022, AT 8:10 AM

     
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    The biggest impediment to Republican dominance is the candidates that they are running. There are several issues that are helping the Democrats but they would still have a harder time if not for the Mehmet Ozs and Herschel Walkers that the GOP is running.
     
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    +1....insanity, fear, corruption and greed rules the GOP.

    Fear also rules the Democrats, along with indecision and feelings.
     
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    So this is representative of the entire voting demographic in Wyoming? One big rodeo?
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Only 500k people in Wyoming, it is the least populated state.

    DD
     
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    if CNN could find Cheney supporters, they would certainly highlight them
     
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    Good point.
     
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    No doubt she is toast, but as I have said before I respect her for what she has done, I consider her the kind of politician who can work both sides of the aisle when needed. Cant help that the gop folks in her state believe in the big lie and the far right media agenda. One thing she can say that most cant, is she will go out with dignity and a clear conscious...............RESPECT
     
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    The "Big Lie" about this is being perpetrated by you people, as usual.
     
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    The people in the video were saying that Jan 6 was a big lie, the hearing were a witch hunt and kangaroo court. There's ****ing video of the entire thing. Everyone watched it live. How deluded can you be to not believe your own eyes?
     
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    The big lie with regards to the January 6 protests and vandalism of the capital is that 1) it was an insurrection intended to overthrow the US government and 2) President Trump orchestrated and approved of the way that these people behaved inside the capital. Both of those ideas are absolute pure lies and anyone who actually supports or believes either one, not to mention both, is either a completely unprincipled partisan hack or a serious dumbass, and very possibly a bit of both. That goes for you too, by the way.
     
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