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[Official] Mariners @ Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jul 28, 2022.

  1. xcrunner51

    xcrunner51 Member

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    Haha, wow.

    Besides the point of assuming you know other organizations' interests better than they do....

    Besides the point of assuming you know how to run an organization better than they do....

    There's more than one way to skin a cat. The Astros have been an incredibility successful team in the last decade but they're not the 90's Bulls. The Nats have the same number of rings we do.
     
  2. The Beard

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    I love Correa, but he didn’t help much in the first one either
     
  3. marks0223

    marks0223 2017 and 2022 World Series Champions
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    Identical lineup as yesterday. Keeping Chas and Meyers out to avoid injuries before the trade deadline??

     
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  4. Tomstro

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    yep. Probably
     
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  5. J.R.

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    If you have 4 CFs, you have no CF. ;)
    Missing u: George Springer

     
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  6. Major

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    The basic premise of moneyball is that you find value where other teams don't. If every bad team is tearing down their team for a rebuild, that strategy won't be as effective - it means you have more teams valuing prospects, more teams selling veterans, etc. The genius of the Astros was specifically that they did it when it wasn't a thing. Same as when Oakland valued moneyball things when no one else did - once other teams started doing it, those players were no longer bargains. That's what makes these various strategies self-regulate themselves.

    No different than an innovative offense in football or whatnot. When everyone else starts doing it, other teams adjust, and it's not nearly as effective.
     
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  7. Wulaw Horn

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    The 90’s bulls wouldn’t be the 90’s bulls in baseball. In the NBA the best team almost always wins a best of 7. That’s just not how baseball works. There is a reason we haven’t seen a teams go back to back in like 24 years. It’s too coin flip like in the playoffs. Going to 5 ALCS in a row is incredible. The Astros are the second best organization in baseball since 2015, behind only the Dodgers, and they have had even less post season success than us. I’m discounting their Covid title to be worth less than our 2017 title, and everything else lines up pretty neatly. They’ve won more regular season games than we have so they get a slight boost. They are obviously playing with more resources than we are.
     
  8. Wulaw Horn

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    Sure. But there are still very few teams actually doing it with the fanaticism we did, and those that have are seeing success (Milwaukee and Baltimore). Most don’t have the stomach for it and get in stupid territory where they compromise the vision of winning big and say- we need to win 87 games and sneak into the wild card race. Like what Seattle is doing right now. It would be like if we traded Bregman and Martes and LMJ in 2015 for our “playoff push” for a guy to pitch in 15 and 16 for us. We didn’t do that short sighted approach. And Colorado man- they might as well be operating in 1987 mindset. Let’s not suck. Let’s sign a 30 year old name guy in FA so the fans will see we are trying even though it’s nowhere near our competitive window. So incredibly stupid.
    Trading present wins when they won’t help you for future wins when they might will NEVER go out of style. There might well be a zag to shoot for 87 wins some year- or patch some holes to compete in the playoffs when you know you will get in as a 2nd wild card while other teams are overvaluing the future, but that’s a different conversation.
     
  9. javal_lon

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    Yordan is better but my gawd, Aaron Judge is absolutely destroying the ball right now!... $300mil easily incoming for that dude
     
  10. rockets1995

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    The Astros are the 90s Braves
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Yep... nothing wrong with admiring and acknowledging what Judge is doing.
     
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    What Seattle fans are saying
     
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  13. IdStrosfan

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    For me, Hunter
    The problem is he was a late bloomer.

    I also acknowledge he has been great and good for him betting on himself but $300 is very unlikely since he will be 31 next season

    The Yankees offered 7 yrs $234M ($33.3M AAV)

    He wanted 9 yrs $319M ($35.4M AAV)

    I Don't think the Yankees ( or anyone except maybe the Mets) go to 9 yrs, maybe they split the difference at 8 but even then he is 39 at the end of that deal.

    They may go $40M per on 7 yrs ($280M) but I think he needs to give some AAV back to get 8 years ($37 per = $296M)

    So MAD RESPECT for betting on himself and winning, but IMHO $300M will be tough to get to.
     
  14. marks0223

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    I'm all for Judge having an MVP season, heck challenge the homerun record. Make the Yankees have to overpay him now into his 40s or let another team overpay and they lose him.
     
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    Who is a late bloomer?

    because judge hit 52 home runs like 5 years ago
     
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  16. Tuckmose

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    The 90s Braves weren’t failures (that title goes to the 90s Indians), but they were disappointments.

    An 88 win team that got hot accomplished as much as that core group with like 6 Cooperstown members.
     
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    He didn’t have his first full Major league season until his age 25 year.
     
  18. Tomstro

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    Very normal today
     
  19. The Beard

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    Duck the Fodgers
     
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  20. Tuckmose

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    It’s not normal at all for elite players. Even amongst very high level college players, the vast majority of them reach the majors full time by 23. At least amongst those who regularly compete for MVPs.
     
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