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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. basso

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    So all the gas pedal talk for Germany means more coal firing energy generators for the next three years. SDP and Greens in Germany could still shut down three nuclear plants scheduled for EoY closure

    Big step back for the environment, but I'm not sure even that is enough for a surviving a hard cap.

    https://time.com/6201449/germany-energy-crisis-preparing-russia/
     
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    Coal is just not that efficient. It's just easy to collect. One they start firing up those plants and start burning the amount of coal needed to replace nuclear, the Greenies will throw a fit.
     
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    It is in the USA's best interests though...and that is their job.

    DD
     
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    We resorted to fracking when we went on our energy independence binge.

    Its interesting Europe hasn't roped in middle eastern sources or places like Azerbaijan and are sourcing us at greater and lengthier expense.

    Not sure how long that sucker play lasts but seems good for US natty gas corps.
     
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    Ukrainian Forces Hamstrung by Pledge Not to Fire Into Russia

    When Ukraine pushed Russian forces back from the country’s second-largest city of Kharkiv in May, they quickly headed to the border to dig their flag into Ukrainian soil that, for a time, had fallen into Russian hands.

    Since then, the front lines in Ukraine’s northeastern region have been largely static. Russian artillery on the other side of the border continues to hammer Ukrainian positions and civilian buildings, and Kyiv has pledged not to target Russian territory with weapons provided by the West.

    “Our hands are tied,” said Yevhen Tonitsa, battery commander for the 40th Separate Artillery Brigade in southeastern Kharkiv. Targeting, he said, is limited to Russian positions in occupied areas of Ukraine, but not over the border in the area around Belgorod. “If we had permission, we would have seen results a long time ago.”

    The battle around Kharkiv highlights a core issue for Ukrainian forces when they employ advanced Western weaponry. The U.S. and European governments, nervous about provoking Russia, have restricted how Ukraine can use them.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukrain...by-pledge-not-to-fire-into-russia-11659092400

    incrementalism kills, @SamFisher
     
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    When the heat goes off, a much larger group is going the throw a fit, and both the greenies and the globalists are likely to find themselves in the cross-hairs. And they definitely deserve the blame for this. They thought they arrogantly bet their economies and the lives of their citizens on the gamble that they could take down the Russians with an economic blitzkrieg - which has not only failed, it has backfired in really spectacular fashion. They own this debacle.
     
  10. pgabriel

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    we didn't "resort" to fracking. we became better at directional drilling
     
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    I guess you’ll just say “whoopsies” if NATO and greater Europe gets dragged into this.

    There’s a reason why we haven’t given Taiwan F35s… because we don’t want China to capture them if they successfully take the island.
     
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    They already have, just takes time build the infrastructure.

    https://eurasianet.org/azerbaijan-and-eu-agree-to-strategic-energy-partnership
     
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    I’m not sure if OPEC counties make those sort or agreements?

    More oil has flowed from the Middle East to Europe but it may not be sustainable.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...iraq-come-to-the-aid-of-europe-s-oil-refiners

    Europe made a huge strategic blunder by getting too dependent on Russia and now Russia is using energy and food as a weapon. There’s really no short term fix. Hopefully Europe has a mild winter.
     
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    http://theglitteringeye.com/just-say-no-2/

    3 hours ago
    Just Say “No”
    by Dave Schuler
    July 29, 2022

    And so it begins. Or ends, depending on how you look at it. At the Washington Post Josh Rogin recounts an exchange between Ukrainian President Zelenskyy and visiting U. S. Congressmen:

    Speaking to a delegation of five U.S. lawmakers last week in Kyiv, Zelensky repeated his requests for more and better U.S. weapons. He also revealed that he has been asking the Biden administration to deploy U.S. military personnel in Kyiv to improve U.S.-Ukraine coordination on all aspects of the war, three of those lawmakers told me.

    Rep. Michael Waltz (R-Fla.) asked the Ukrainian president whether he supported sending more U.S. military personnel into Ukraine to boost coordination. Zelensky jumped at the idea.

    “As soon as I raised it, he cut me off and said, ‘We’ve been asking for it. We’d welcome it. We’ve proposed that,’” said Waltz, who told me, “The problem is with the White House.”

    Zelensky proposed that U.S. and Ukrainian military personnel form three joint coordination cells, focused on planning, logistics and strategic communications. Waltz said U.S. troops would not be deployed to the front lines. They would work out of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, which is struggling right now to reestablish operations with a skeleton staff.

    It should be noted that sending American soldiers to Ukraine is not a popular idea. Opinion varies from 22% in favor to 40% in favor, depending on how it is phrased (Rasmussen, Quinnipiac, NORC). I find the notion that State and Defense are only now realizing that once Russians have dug into Ukraine they will be quite difficult to dislodge not credible. If it is true, we need a new State Department and Department of Defense.

    Arguments in favor include improved oversight (they’re only thinking about oversight now?) and improved training.

    There’s one major argument against. Doing that would make those forces legitimate targets of war. I should note that it has been argued that no target is a legitimate target because Russia’s war against Ukraine is an illegal one. We have never taken that view with respect to our own illegal wars which include Iraq and Syria. By that argument every American who participated in either Iraq or Syria is guilty of a war crime.

    I do not understand the relish for great power war that seems to be overtaking us these days.



     
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    The short term fix is to simply deliver it from the USA - we have enough oil and reserves to cover Europe for a few years while this goes on.....just got to get the logistics in place.

    DD
     
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    its not oil its natural gas, its not that simple. you have to liquefy gas to ship it over seas. its an investment for shipper and receiver
     
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    If that's true, probably not a good idea to get more involved in Ukraine. Keep the powder dry.

    It would seem to contradict your stated desire for total war against Russia, unless you just want to let China have Taiwan.

    We've already given like 1/3 of our total Javelin stockpile to Ukraine. If we need to blow up Chinese tanks, we'll need a few for our own use.
     
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    Chinese tanks being used to invade Taiwan? I don't think that's much of an issue.
     

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