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The state of the democratic party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. dobro1229

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    Such a weird and odd thing to think is a political liability when he’d almost surely be running against a guy who tried to overthrow the US government and was okay with a mob hanging his own VP… oh and is a tax fraud, married 3 times, a racist, and accused of rape and sexual assault.

    Gavin Newsom wouldn’t be my first pick in 24 but in comparison to his competition the guy looks like Mother Theresa and Ghandi. I’ll happily be putting a Newsom yard sign on my lawn if he wins the nomination vs Trump.
     
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  2. dobro1229

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    The Republicans are full of _______ leaders?
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    Spineless
     
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  4. rocketsjudoka

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    And the recall of Newsome largely failed because the state GOP put up a terrible candidate who was considered far more extreme than Newsome. Also it was a crowded disorganized field.
     
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  5. Os Trigonum

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    Opinion: Democrats need to become the party of building things


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...wars-democrats-performance-building-abortion/

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    There is plenty of evidence that the Democratic Party has moved left, that it is out of sync with Americans on many of these cultural issues, and that it needs to correct course. But it needs to do so clearly, forcefully and repeatedly. Republicans are clever at weaponizing the words of a few left-wing Democrats and branding them as the face of the party. For example, I have not found a single senior national Democratic leader who has ever endorsed the idea of “defunding the police” — Biden actually proposed increased funding for cops — and yet Republicans have repeated this mantra constantly.

    Democrats need to learn how to fight back — for example, by highlighting the most extreme abortion laws passed in Republican states and branding the Republican Party with them. In Oklahoma, abortions are now banned, with very few exceptions, from the moment of conception onward. In Mississippi, a doctor could face 10 years in prison for performing an illegal abortion.

    Yet Democrats have another big weak spot, and it centers on performance. Democrats in power often seem unable to get anything done. Democrats squabble more — and more in public — than Republicans. Despite the fact that much of the GOP establishment despised Trump, once he was elected, they nearly all fell in line, mostly passed his agenda and supported him unfailingly. Democrats, by contrast, rarely remind the public of the two big bills that they did pass — covid-19 relief and infrastructure — and in fact spent months bickering over the third one they’ve proposed, Build Back Better. Why is the Biden administration not announcing large new public works projects every week, financed by the federal funds appropriated in those two bills?

    The answer is that it has become very difficult to build anything in America, especially in blue states. President Barack Obama, who passed another big infrastructure bill in 2009, famously said later that “there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.” That’s because, as New York Times columnist Ezra Klein has noted, the number of permits, reviews, and delays that have become part of the normal approval process have delayed or doomed the prospects of large-scale public projects. Democrats have become paralyzed by their own ideas and interest groups, and no one seems able to break through and actually get things done.
    more at the link

    Original title got too much criticism from readers. Democracy Dies in Darkness!!!!!

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  6. Os Trigonum

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    lol. when you've lost Glenn Altschuler . . .

    It’s time for the Democratic Party’s geriatric leaders to relinquish power

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...partys-geriatric-leaders-to-relinquish-power/

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    This summer President Biden should declare that he will not seek re-election in 2024. Pelosi (who in 2018 supported limiting senior leaders in the House to three terms), Hoyer, Clyburn, Schumer, and Durbin should indicate that they will relinquish their leadership positions in January 2023. Their announcements might well generate goodwill toward them and their party.

    The torch can then be passed to, among others, the relatively young, articulate, more aggressive and media-savvy Democrats: Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.), Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (Mich.), Pete Buttigieg (Ind.), Julian Castro (Texas), Sen. Tammy Duckworth (Ill.), Gov. Gavin Newsom (Calif.), Gov. Jared Polis (Colo.), Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.), Rep. Karen Bass (Calif.), Rep. Pramila Jayapal (Wash.), and Kamala Harris (Calif.).

    And Democrats could alter the political conversation.

    They should run on a platform prioritizing state and federal legislation protecting reproductive rights; a ban on purchases of assault weapons; reducing greenhouse gases, and requiring wealthy individuals and corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. They should show how election-deniers, conspiracy theorists, ideological extremists, and their power-over-principle enablers have taken over the Republican Party.

    They should identify the anti-democratic agenda these Republicans have already begun implementing: voter suppression; overturning the will of the people; scapegoating immigrants; undermining respect for facts and scientific expertise, freedom of speech and inquiry, common decency and common sense, by blocking enforcement of pandemic mitigation measures; removing books from libraries, and prohibiting public schools from discussing racism and gender identity.

    In the summer and fall, as new and aspiring Democratic leaders reframe the issues, they could energize the traditional constituencies of their party and independents.
    more at the link
     
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  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I would say it failed because California is overwhelmingly Dem leaning and Newsom is very well funded. Additionally, California media may as well also be called the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party. The LA Times posted/printed a column calling Larry Elder the "Black Face of White Supremacy".
     
  8. adoo

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    The op'ed accurrately captures the sentiments among the urban Blacks, in particular in SC LA.

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/congratulations-to-gov-newsom.312744/page-3#post-13705397

    during an appearance on a recent Candace Owens’ show (yahoo.com), Larry Elder argues that slave owners are ‘owed reparations’
    • slave owners whose legal “property” was taken from them after the Civil War are owed compensation.

     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured-documents/dc-emancipation-act
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    He easily avoided the recall. Whether he calls robbers a gang or group of people doesn't matter at all. It is probably the least important act to judge whether or not someone will do a good job performing the duties of President.

    Newsome is okay but like most politicians just follows the money.
     
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  11. MojoMan

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    yeah baby, Dems are taking care of business and getting shitte done

    Members of Congress are bringing home the bacon

    https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/3566937-members-of-congress-are-bringing-home-the-bacon/

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    Just in time for the 30th anniversary of the Congressional Pig Book, members of Congress overturned the 2011 earmark moratorium and formally restored them in fiscal year (FY) 2022.

    This means for the first time in 12 years, taxpayers will know more about which members of Congress are bringing home the bacon and were deserving of Citizens Against Government Waste’s (CAGW) “Oinker” awards.

    The 2022 Congressional Pig Bookexposes 5,138 earmarks, an increase of 1,702.8 percent from the 285 in FY 2021, at a cost of $18.9 billion, an increase of 18.9 percent from the $15.9 billion in earmarks in FY 2021. Since FY 1991, CAGW has identified116,816 earmarks costing $411.4 billion.

    Like they did before the moratorium, earmarks disproportionately benefited leadership and those with spots on prime congressional committees. In FY 2022, the 89 members of the House and Senate appropriations committees, making up only 17 percent of Congress, were responsible for 41.1 percent of the earmarks and 29.1 percent of the money. As the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) explained regarding those making the case for earmarks, “The problem with all their arguments is: the more powerful you are, the more likely it is you get the earmark in. Therefore, it is a corrupt system.”

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    The new system of earmarking benefited senators far more than representatives, as the top 50 earmark recipients by dollar amount featured only two legislators from the lower chamber, and Democrats far more than Republicans. There were 273 Democrats, or 99.3 percent of the 275, who received 5,435 earmarks totaling $8,510,474,770, while 120 Republicans, or 45.8 percent of the 262, received 1,320 earmarks costing $4,952,024,395. Because multiple legislators often requested the same earmark, the combined individual totals exceed the total number and dollar value of earmarks attributed to members of Congress in the bills.
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  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    This is why we need a Constitutional Amendment that says any legislation can only address one issue and be of a maximum length (I like one page, but could be convinced to go as high as six in 12 point, double spaced, Times New Roman, normal margins, 8.5x11 inch paper). If you want your pork, you have to pass a bill that only does that, and get support in the House and Senate and the signature of the President.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    Yeah, that chips bill might as well been a straight up robbery on taxpayer coffers. All these companies with multi billion in annual profits need a "leg up" in the US?

    Puh-lease. These ****ers in Congress got fed with the kickbacks and insider stock trades.
     
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  15. MojoMan

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    There is some real validity to what you have said here. However, it has also been correctly observed that allowing the sources of certain critical resources, including these chips, produces bottlenecks in our economy which not only kill large numbers of jobs and the economic lives of people when depend on them, but they also result in serious and important product supply shortages and the price spikes that come with them. And then there are the national security concerns, which are many and are beyond the scope of this thread.

    I share the concerns that you mentioned above, which are legitimate. However, we need to look at the bigger picture here and the wider range of issues that are at play. This is not the ideal or perfect way to respond to these problems, by any means. If there is currently a better one, which I hope that there is, then I for one would certainly like to hear what it is.
     
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    Please seek help. You are in a cult and you require therapy.
     
  19. J.R.

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    Linda…

     
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    Hilarious
     
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