Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Nobody wants to kill anyone, less you demonize them. Like what Hitler did with the Jews.

Trump is doing a heck of a job of demonizing a segment of the population. Some Fox News talk shows have been at it longer.

This isn't playing the Hitler's card. This is explaining the behaviors that lead people to have outrageous behaviors. Now, I'm sure the right will say the same thing about the left (they are demons after all).

 

I want to point out a version of cancel culture that seems to be acceptable. There is attacking a person as you said. There is also putting up a STOP sign (acceptable version).

"What about Trump" is not willing to engage with a stop sign.

Post a cartoon, sometimes funny, sometimes downright unfunny and dumb in response to a post is not willing to engage.

Sometimes those are done in good nature and I'm sure most of us do it in some way and some form. But that itself is cancel culture - not just the unwillingness to engage, but the active blocking of someone's thoughts and ideas.

 

I get that position and generally agree. What I find intolerable about his style is that he doesn't simply state and defend his own position, he buries the bbs with articles as 'food for thought' that are suggestive that he agrees with such positions but then won't defend or deny them with his own words. Sometimes he will, but often he plays coy. So you don't really get to debate and discuss a controversial topic with him because he won't state what he believes, and instead just take pot shots from the gallery (which is usually a deluge of articles other people wrote) then dodges any counter-argument by disavowing any position others have assumed he's taken. He probably doesn't see it this way, but it's a form of trolling to me. That's why he's on my ignore while guys like TJ and mojo somehow still are not. They take different and objectionable positions, but they'll state and defend what they believe and we can have an actual conversation. Whereas I like Os just fine, I just can't stand trying to have a conversation with him.

 

He has insinuated and admitted on multiple occasions he does this schtick to irritate posters. The very definition of trolling.

I would put him on ignore as well but he posts so much 1/4th of the BBS would disappear.

 

Same. I haven't noticed any gender targeted posting from @Os Trigonum. We disagree many times but he hasn't been insulting at all, that I have seen. Certainly not initiated insulting personal attacks.

 

What some might find insulting others might not. For me, it was insulting for him to continue making fun of my opinion over and over and over like a troll. I had serious concerns about Trump and still do. I try to post direct quotes from Trump and his party that trouble me. You have to remember I used to vote Republican. The party is changing drastically and I don't like what I see. It's become very radical and nasty. No, Trump is not gone! He is very much relevant in the party that took a shot at overturning an election, but that guy trolled me and ridiculed me with almost every post I made. To me, that's a troll, and someone who enjoys trying to act like my opinions are nonsense and irrelevant. To me, that's insulting my opinion.

Anyway, like I said, I don't need to read that stuff anymore. It was never a debate, with him actually discussing my opinion and giving a response about what he liked or didn't like. It was just snide remarks or copy and pasted stuff to get under my skin. No real conversation or debate. All his buddies joined in and tagged him on my posts. I just got tired of the childish antics.

 

I appreciate that. Thanks for the additional information.

 

Former Secret Service agents say that Donald Trump's 'girth' prevented him from hijacking motorcade

 

I'm not defending anyone and I don't care about who is on the Republican side any more than I care about who is on the Democrat side. I just think it is lazy and stupid to compare people to Nazis. There is a reason the meme I posted exists. There is a reason Godwin's law exists.

 

I get what you’re saying, Lots of lazy and stupid posts, including generalizations about Nazis, hitler, etc.

But Im not lazy. Some might think I’m stupid, but I am educated (and I think I’m thoughtful). In short, it wasn’t a flippant post. I meant it. And I don’t go around suggesting people are either nazi’s or follow hitler. I suspect my post history would support that. Here, it is just what I think relative to one poster.

 

Interesting development.

 

Congress has made itself the weakest of the three branches because it is the most political of the branches and as such has the hardest time doing anything.

the Founders intended the legislative branch to be the most powerful. That’s why they’re Article I and also why so much of the Constitution specifically cite Congress. The Founders were also wary of government acting very fast and efficiently. The problem though is that so as the country has grown to be so large and powerful there are many problems that require an active government. With Congress being slow and quarrelsome the other branches have just stepped in and often with the blessing of Congress.

 

I’m sure @Os Trigonum is enjoying all the attention he’s getting but as I said in another thread sometimes giving attention to a poster who is seeking it isn’t a bad thing.

I have criticized him before for what I see as “appeal to authority” to mask “confirmation bias”. I have no problem with posting opinion but if your posting something you should be willing to explain why you’re posting it and why you think it’s important. Frankly there’s been a few times I don’t think he’s even read everything in what he’s posted. I also think he doesn’t appreciate it when someone takes a deep dive into the text of what he posts to point out where it might not be making the point that he thinks it is. My feeling is he thinks that by annoying people with sheer volume counts as justifying his views.

My own view is that he’s an academic with a lot of time on his hand. He feels like most of academic and on campus attitudes have changed from what he knew so he looks for articles that validate his views. since he feels stifled in his professional circles spams us with it for his own distraction and entertainment.

 

So you do in fact think @MojoMan wants to exterminate Jews?

 

You’re kinda making Deb’s point.

 

Actually, I have no views on that specific point. Seems everyone else understood the analogy quite well.

You’re a smart guy, I think you know what I mean. If not, think on it for a moment or two. It will come to you.

edit: I don’t know how many trumpers are actually Nazis, but it seems there are plenty of Nazis who are trumpers. Mojoman is definitely ultra MAGA trumper. So I suppose there is a non zero chance he is actually a Nazi. But I wouldn’t be able to put a finer point on it than that.

 

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Yeah, everytime I read the categorizations behind her "then" statements, I can't take her opinions seriously.

Like she doesn't gaf generalizing an entire heterogeneous demographic in order to prove her point.

 

Since I opined earlier, I mostly don't mind Os playing Devil's Advocate, but I know many do. There's some articles posted where I've learned from, and many I shrug off. Even some I disagree or reject, but nonetheless give insight why the Other Side acts or thinks that way (not always cuz dey dumb hicks).

I just notch it to a rigor test or challenge of preconceived notions or ideas...might be better than lapping up the latest Oliver, but it's naturally think intensive like doing equations, I mean, I don't think it's purely that because of the thrill and attention catching with taking the counter position, which is why it feels New Yorker-esque and slippery to me.

I mostly have a problem with people instigating things outside the D&D, and making CF a temporary cesspool where Cleanup On Aisle 3 isnt going to be cleaned up quickly.

 

I don’t know whether Mojo or anyone here on team MAGA is really a true Nazi but if you are going to be defending team MAGA’s agenda like you often do here with rigor, you really can’t get too sensitive when there are comparisons to historical and current fascist regimes. I mean if we can’t all agree that the modern GOP is by definition a modern form of fascism then we are living on a separate planet. You kind of need to own it a bit and live in the reality of the current state of the GOP if we are gonna have any real dialog about where we go from here. The term fascist has a negative connotation to it I know so it’ll trigger team MAGA but it’s the textbook definition anyway you look at it.

But no there’s a big difference between being fascist and being a Nazi who murdered millions of innocent people. I don’t think the MAGA movement has the goal of mass genocide. I think the violent chest bumping is just a tactic to bully and appear “strong” in hopes that it’ll quash decent.

 

as always it was deb who drew first blood