https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/the-market-for-rental-starters-is-on-shaky-ground.html Article that might be evidence Odorizzi could bring back a solid return.
100 million gets you: Aaron Judge Giancarlo Stanton Gerrit Cole Or Juan Soto Yordan Alvarez Kyle Tucker Maybe there's an argument for spending big on Soto... If you can find value in pitching where you aren't paying 50 million to your top 2 guys.
One other thought no one has mentioned... This is Boras with Soto... did the Nats give him an opt out in that 15 year 440 deal? I know it's not the Astros way, but i wonder what 12 years 480 looks like to him with an opt out in year 5? Maybe then you have a 5 year window instead of 3?
Compared to these other guys, Odo would fetch a decent return. Quintana is 100% fools gold, and already part of one of the bigger deadline fleecings in recent years when he was traded from South Side to Wrigley. Cubs gave up two dudes who never made the majors, Eloy Jimenez, and Dylan Cease (LOL) for half a year of mediocre starting pitching. Question is, who really needs Jake Odorizzi? Boston and Toronto come to mind with injuries and very shallow rotations, same for Tampa Bay. Not as intimate with the NL, but who is in desperate need for a 3rd/4th starter in a year where pitching got much easier?
I’m not sure if I will be more mad at Click for signing Odo or for not trading him at the deadline (please for prospects not immediate help for this years team), but when it happens I expect to be disconsolate, crying in the corner and shaking, all while screaming out occasionally WHY Click, Why? the more I think about it the more I believe the Astors absolutely need to sell (for prospects damn it) Odo, Chas and Urquidy. That helps you be able to deal maybe Garcia, maybe Brown, maybe Javier, maybe Leon, maybe (gulp) Peña for a guy like Castillo and/or Soto, and it definitely could replace the minor prospect capital you’d have to give up for a FA bat in his walk year if you go that route. Even if we traded everyone in my first 3 for prospects with no help this year that leaves your rotation: JV/LMJ/Framber/Javier/Garcia/Brown. That is so absurdly far beyond plenty as to be laughable- we are only talking about getting through 2 months of the season with a double digit lead. Should net 6 top 20 prospects. Then- your trade capital to improve the big league team isn’t so scary to send out anymore.
You still have to beat an absurdly stacked Yankees and Dodgers Phillies/Marlins team after they play like a 120 win team after the deadline to make a miracle run to the WS.
$440 for 15 years is just under $30M/yr. 12 years $480M is $40M/yr. That's a significantly different AAV hit on the Cap Space. I personally think every opt out by a player should be accompanied by a buyout for the team with a right of first refusal. It's not uncommon in other businesses, but I'm sure there are some archaic restrictions in baseball.
I don’t mean plenty as in winning the World Series, I mean plenty enough starting pitching to get you to the playoffs in good and healthy shape through the last 2 months of the season. We have 9 guys right now in the organization that could be just fine starting in August and September (I’m counting Bielak) with a double digit lead on the M’s. We only need 4 of them in the playoffs. That makes Odo and Urquidy prime candidates to be dealt at the deadline if it’s a sellers Market. playoffs are just a crapshoot. I have to remind myself of that all the time. We could assemble and awesome team that won 112 games and then go out and lose in 3 to the twins. You just have to make your peace with that, as hard as it is to do.
Well, it would mean relying on your farm system to churn out talent and not overpaying relievers like Neris. I like Neris but he's not our 2nd best bullpen arm and he's paid like it.
My bad. I thought he was a trade deadline guy, not an off season guy to replace a trade deadline guy.
Report: Nationals want to include Patrick Corbin’s contract in Juan Soto trade • The Nationals will try to make the team that acquires Soto also absorb Corbin’s bad contract, according to sources. Corbin has two and a half years left on a six-year, $140 million deal he signed after the 2018 season. He’s been the worst starting pitcher in the majors since the beginning of the 2021 season, with a 5.84 ERA in 50 starts during that span. So if your team wants Soto, who is making $17.1 million this year, it will need to account for the likely significant raises he’ll receive in his final two years of salary arbitration, a record extension (if it wants Soto beyond 2024) and perhaps taking on some or all of Corbin’s remaining salary. Bottom line: The Nationals want the Corbin salary off their books, even if they end up with fewer players or prospects in the deal because of it. Bowden lists the Yankees, Rays, Jays, White Sox, Mariners, Mets, Cardinals, Dodgers, Padres & Giants
This kind of thinking is why the Nationals will never win a Worl- Dammit. Very obvious the owner is about to sell, trying to get a rock bottom payroll to inflate the team value.
Ok so If I were to work this trade It would start with Soto, Bell and Corbin for Urquidy, Leon, Whitley, Whitaker, Solomon, Ivey, Santos and Aledmys Diaz Follow this with Odorizzi and Joe Perez to the Cardinals for Zack Thompson and Alec Burleson So me this would be the point in brining up Hunter Brown Corbin in the Pen and McCullers In the Rotation opens a spot for Javier Verlander Framber Garcia Javier McCullers Brown Corbin Thompson Pressley Neris Maton Montaro
And I say after that Sotos contract should be Mid Loaded or Back Loaded so we can skate Past Altuves and Bregmans Contracts Gotta Remember Gurriel should be gone and Brantley aswell if you do this Trade. Which those Contracts should cover Sotos Money. and Bell should be shortly after that as a 4 to 5 yr deal to play 1B In the Offseason we can try and Trade Corbins Contract might have to add a Prospect or two but we can try and shy away from his contract and be good after that
Do you realize all the Astro players/prospects you just offered for Soto add up to about 1/5 of his value? A #5 starter, a bench player who is going to be a free agent in 2 months, an OF prospect outside the top 100, and 5 mid level prospects having bad seasons? I have seen some bad, out of touch fantasy offers ( I have made some too) But WOW !!! Replace Santos with Luis Garcia Diaz with Mauricio Dubon Whitley with Hunter Brown Whitaker with Colin Barber Solomon with Yanier Diaz Ivey with Chayce McDermott And keep Urquidy and Leon And MAYBE Washington doesn't laugh but they definitely don't even consider it. FTR: According to baseballtradevalues.com Soto is worth $176.8M The 8 players I just listed add up to $108.8M The 8 you listed add up to $26.6M
That’s a major factor. Corbin has $70M left on his contract and projects to be worth less than half that. It takes Soto’s surplus value from the $90M-$140M range down into the $70M-$110M range. And it changes which teams would be involved. I don’t think a team who is up against it financially like the Padres can be in the mix in this scenario. And I would think a team like Houston actually could be in the mix now. A package like Brown, Urquidy, McCormick, and Leon might be enough. Houston would likely need to trade Odorizzi to shed salary, and money would be very very tight this offseason. But adding a superstar like Soto to their lineup for 2.5 seasons would be amazing.
According to baseballtradevalues, Soto is worth $103M per year while being paid ~$30M per year. So I looked at the leaderboard and noticed he does not dominate the leaderboard. In fact you have to look hard to find him. That same site shows Tucker at $50M per year and Ohtani at $87M per year. I personally think he's closer to Tucker than where he's valued.
Trade game absurdity: Astros get: Soto $176.8 Ruiz $45.4 Bell $5.3 Strasburg (151.2) Corbin (54.9) Avilan (0.4) Doolittle (0.6) Net $20.4 $103M per year more payroll Nats Get: McCormick $ 20.5 $103M Annual Salary relief WARNING! This is not a serious trade proposal. Just making fun of the game because it should work according to the game.
