I'll help you out... The Rockets won 53 games. They were 4th in the west. They had just lost in the second round. They were 11th in offense and 10th in defense. Their age weighted by minutes played was 29.23. Their average age was 27. Their starting lineup was: James Harden Chris Paul Eric Gordon PJ Tucker Clint Capela Their top 4 played bench players were Gerald Green, Austin Rivers, Gary Clark, and Ken Faried. Does this ring any bells?
I largely agree with you. Speaking for myself, I wasn’t saying I felt triggered by Tilman at all. I feel triggered (which was tongue in cheek anyway) by Salvy constantly talking about Tilman. It’s annoy that he lurks from thread to thread, constantly popping in with ‘if you think Tilman isn’t the greatest owner ever, you’re stupid!’ comments. But if I actively click on a thread he’s literally formed solely to praise Tilman (which btw, you did too), it’s very much my own fault for opting into his BS. What did I expect…? Taking your point that all owners are rich jerks, I think they subdivide into two categories, owners who will spend the money it takes to make their teams the best version of themselves and owners who, for a myriad of reasons, won’t. I don’t ‘hate’ Tilman, but I am disappointed by and somewhat resent that his actions thus far give strong indications he is and will continue to be in the latter group rather than the former. He inherited one of the best teams in the league, and didn’t invest properly to keep that going. I can be excited about where we are in the rebuild, and still annoyed a 65 win team wasn’t maintained and improved. I think every fan has the right to hope their owner will take advantage of the cap rules to field the best team they can, even if every owner obviously has the right not to do so.
LOL at whoever bumped this stupid thread. Nothing has changed. he's still the dumbest and worst owner in the league
@don grahamleone is right. besides, all the tilman haters would gladly trade lives/resumes/bank accts with him even if it meant making ALL the same decisions he has made. If you don’t like it, earn a few billions and buy your own team.
You're going to have to explain what bold move there was to make. Ariza, Anderson, and Mbah a Moute were all toast and they were over the cap. Blaming the 5th, 7th, and 8th best players for losing 12 more games seems kind of silly. It was clear the team peaked when they fell to 4th. I wouldn't have done the Westbrook deal but i can understand the desire to try something. Blaming on court results on ownership is dumb. He wrote the checks. They got worse. Did he make the problem worse? Maybe... the move backfired. We would be in a worse spot right now holding onto Harden and Paul... selling tickets off division titles...
Really, we would be in a worse spot by not trading away our next three years of draft picks. And a nice nugget from CP3 about what it meant to lose Ariza. https://spacecityscoop.com/2020/07/01/chris-paul-trevor-ariza-costly-houston-rockets/ Patrick, your mental gymnastics are amazing, but the reality is, your dad is a trash owner, because he can't accept that he isn't always the smartest guy in the room.
LMAO, you crack me up man... Ariza, your argument is we should have kept Ariza... Ariza was the answer the whole time, the same Ariza that went 0-9 from three in 41 minutes and scored a whopping 0 points in game 7 vs GSW.... https://www.basketball-reference.co...are&utm_campaign=ShareTool#box-HOU-game-basic Tilman should have paid this man!!!
I don't think anyone ever argued against wanting to keep Ariza. The problem was that Ariza was asking for waaaaay more money than he was worth, as evidenced from Suns signing whopping $15 million. That's close to superstar money right there.
it was for a measly year. it literally wasn't keeping the rockets from doing anything. where's all the well its a nice salary to use in a trade where folks that try to use that reasoning for dumb contracts. and what do you know ariza continued to have value and plenty of teams signed and traded for him after that well yeah nvm it did. it made the rockets scrape the bottom of the barrel for scrubs that were fake ariza replacements and it showed. that offseason was a complete disaster and flat out pathetic. for years they tried to use 99 Cent store imitations for Ariza and finally got RoCo. But had to give up their starting center as a result of getting westbrick in one of the worst trades in history. All because of again the dumbest and worst owner in the league who's too cheap to field a real supporting cast. you literally don't see that problem for any other title contender team in the league. folks out hear whining about LTS just like the dumb owner Tilman. That's the only thing that would have been affected. newsflash title contenders are luxury tax teams. that's been true for years and years. if anyone laughably doesn't get that simple concept, youre just as bad as the owner
Ariza was one of many catastrophic mistakes Tilman made. By itself, not a big deal. Combined with all his other stupidity, you have a resume of a complete and total idiot.
Planning to take my neice to rainforest this weekend. Think you can hook us up with a discount? @Salvy
Out of all the players in the league, imagine Ariza being a catastrophic failure for a team to lose. Not even prime Ariza was good enough to warrant the hate you have..... You would think The Rockets let Giannis or LeBron walk.... Ariza is not worth it man... Its just not...
The ‘will or won’t Tilman ever pay the tax’ thing has been extensively litigated many times in many threads. The only observation I’ll make here is that the Rockets let Ariza (who started 80 games for a 65 win team) walk for nothing, when we had his Bird Rights. Even if you believe he was washed, keeping that contract would have allowed the Rockets to attach a pick and trade for a player who would have been helpful. The fact that they were over the cap and had no other ways to add players to the team with the league’s literal best record is what makes it such an egregious non-basketball move. There is no intellectually honest way to frame letting the contract, if not the player, walk for nothing as a move to field the best basketball team. It was a penny pinching move to save money and duck the tax, and it made the team worse for it. If an owner won’t pay the tax when they have the team with the best record in the league, why would anyone assume that owner would ever pay the tax? People are entitled to have blind faith that Tilman will pay the luxury tax at some point in the future, but his actions indicate otherwise.
You sure youve made up your mind on rainforest? You tend to switch it up randomly.. Like when you were a Brooklyn fan, then Sixers and then Boston...
Why did poorman let ariza walk? Why did poorman trade chris paul? Why did poorman dump knight and our picks on shumpert and never plan to resign him? Why did poorman never use our mle? Why did morey quit due to personal reasons and then sign with the sixers a week later? @Salvy
