Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Trump likes using National Guard to gas innocent black protesters out of the way for a photo shoot holding a Bible, but not to clear out his White Nationalist supporters storming the US Capitol.

 

One of the greatest theme songs ever. SDj just killed it. I can listen to this on a loop and never get tired of it.

 

It’s such a good example of why DC needs statehood. There are now multiple examples now where a sitting president basically has the power of a state Governor to activate or sideline the DC national guard. That’s insane and needs to be corrected.

If that doesn’t happen I could see a world where Congress reinstates a true sergeant of arms with a militarized capital police force moving forward that becomes a tempting tool for abuse in the future.

If I have one gripe with the 1/6 committee it’s that they aren’t expanding much into explaining the real vulnerabilities of the DC National Guard being able to be wielded by a fascistic president.

 

‘Late Show’ staffers arrested at Capitol won’t be prosecuted

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kn...ffers-arrested-at-capitol-wont-be-prosecuted/

 

So they were invited in and never told to leave. Why is this in the thread with people who broke in threatening to hang the VP and overturn our democracy?

 

My understanding of Pence's actions is that they did violate the chain of command but given the vaccuum of leadership out of the White House at that moment he felt justified in doing it. Pence isn't being faulted for this as outside of a few die hard Trump supporters all of Congress and most of the Administration agreed that something needed to be done.

 

Yes I certainly didn't have issue with it as most didn't other than of course the people trying to hang him at that moment. I could see a situation in the future where maybe we have a split White House like with Lincoln/Johnson where a VP steps in and commands the Pentagon, the Pentagon acts without confirmation from the President, and it becomes a huge scandal... maybe even leading to an impeachment where Congress debates article 2, and the true powers of the VP and the VP in that impeachment uses the Mike Pence example as their defense.

Either way though right now it's not a big deal to anyone, but it still raises the question knowing how Trump despised Pence especially then, and knowing how loyal Christopher Miller and those lackeys were to Trump at that time, how chain of command was broken. My guess is once the senior Pentagon officials knew that Trump had lost and Pence was in a safe place, and the rioters weren't getting to Congress anymore, even the Trump lackeys just faked making calls to Trump, and said oh... we tried, and nobody is home... it's Pence's call.... something like that... but the fact that you and I have to theorize what happened tells you all you need to know about bad it is that the 1/6 committee is missing this crucial piece of info.

 

So... are you agreeing that Trump and some of his acolytes got federal employees to help them in their attempt to stop the count of electoral votes?

 

I know right... I keep on thinking that how stupid it is for a Trump fan to run with the inside job theory... like how is that good for Trump?? People inside the government wanted to.... stop the process violently for Joe Biden to become president, and make Trump President for life under martial law????.... and that's somehow a narrative a Trumper like Commodore wants to push???

Okay....

 

i dont think you know what the word "literally" means.

 

Willful ignorance on full display with the Trumpster Dumpsters.

 

Secret Service Jan. 6 texts erased despite Congress’ request (dallasnews.com)

Secret Service text messages from around the time of the attack on the U.S. Capitol were deleted despite requests from Congress and federal investigators that they be preserved, the agency confirmed Tuesday in response to a subpoena from the House Jan. 6 committee.

The National Archives, which is in charge of government record-keeping, asked the Secret Service to investigate the possible erasure of the messages and report back within 30 days.

 

It's like when they brag how "they have all the law enforcement and military on their side".

Make no mistake, certain pockets of the Trump base see this is a literal war.

 

This isn't the fist time that chain of command has been violated or side stepped when it was felt the President was compromised. During Watergate Kissinger and the Sec. of Defense were so worried about Nixon's state of mind that they had told the military that any orders for use of nuclear weapons from the President needed to be reviewed by them first.

I think Milley and some other generals acknowledged they had similar safeguards put in place for orders from Trump.

 

My understanding of the argument is that the Speaker of the House is responsible for the safety of the Capitol so they are trying to shift the blame to her. It's a very strained argument and ultimately goes back to that some Capitol LEO were sympathetic to the rioters and may have aided them.

 

Yes and if the GOP had cooperated they might've gotten more evidence then. Also the impeachment started while Trump was still in office and many int the GOP resisted it.

All of that said this impeachment got the most votes for removal out of any impeachment and Trump has the distinction of being the first President to have Senators of his own party vote for removal in both impeachments.

 

I'm concerned about the Secret Service failing to preserve the text messages. But, what the hell is wrong with the House committee who hadn't subpoenaed those records for a year and still would not have had the IG not reported they were deleted.

 

Obviously, Congress has no idea if these texts were of any importance until either 1) OIG reported to Congress that they were deleted raising a red flag, or 2) some other investigation pointed to needing these communications. So the best Congress and investigators can do at that time is to send out a general notice to preserve records (standard operation for any federal investigation). Which they did.

Congress sent a letter 10 days after the capital attack (1/16/21). Texts were deleted after that date. Federal records must be maintained - clearly, someone deleted them. That this is done after Congress and federal investigators requested them to be preserved is a very bad look. Horrible negligence or a crime TBD. The shifting story and stonewalling make it more suspicious.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/16/secret-service-deleted-text-messages-january-6

The Secret Service’s account about how text messages from the day before and the day of the Capitol attack were erased has shifted several times, the inspector general for the Department of Homeland Security told the House January 6 select committee at a briefing on Friday.

At one point, the explanation from the Secret Service for the lost texts was because of software upgrades, the inspector general told the panel, while at another point, the explanation was because of device replacements.

The inspector general also said that though the secret service opted to have his office do a review of the agency’s response to the Capitol attack in lieu of conducting after-action reports, it then stonewalled the review by slow-walking production of materials.

After the inspector general raised his complaints, he then discussed the feasibility of reconstructing the texts. But the issues so alarmed the select committee that the panel moved hours later to subpoena the Secret Service, according to participants at the briefing.

The string of fast-paced developments on Capitol Hill reflected how the erasure of the Secret Service texts – first disclosed in a letter to Congress by the inspector general, Joseph Cuffari – has become a top priority for the congressional inquiry into January 6.

But the select committee questioned the Secret Service’s emphasis on that date, the participants said, and noted in the subpoena letter that the request for electronic communications in fact first came from Congress, ten days after the Capitol attack.

The congressional request from 16 January 2021 addressed to multiple executive branch agencies – including the Homeland Security Department, which oversees the Secret Service – was for all materials referring or relating to the riot.