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Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RESINator, Jan 6, 2021.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    The prosecution of Trump on Federal charges was always going to be difficult but the GA prosecution looks much more solid given Trump's call to Raffensberger. The testinomy Raffensberger provided will also be helpful for that.

    One part of these hearings that have actually helped Trump is the actions of people like Herschmann and Donaghue in the AG office actually protected Trump. If they had simply let Trump go ahead while it's possible that the election might've been overturned it's also that Trump would have far more criminal liabiltty.
     
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    DOJ Seeks 15 Year Prison Sentence for Guy Reffitt (lawandcrime.com)

    Prosecutors have asked a federal judge to sentence a militia member from Texas who was convicted of bringing a gun to the Capitol on Jan. 6 to 15 years behind bars, arguing that his actions were “intended to promote a federal crime of terrorism.”

    DOJ: Reffitt’s Actions Were “Intended to Promote a Federal Crime of Terrorism.”

    Prosecutors also argued that Reffitt’s behavior warrants an upward departure because his “offense of conviction ‘involved, or was intended to promote, a federal crime of terrorism.'”

    In its sentencing memorandum, the government argues that U.S. Judge Dabney Friedrich should make an upward departure from the federal sentencing guidelines range of 9 to 11.25 years, or 108 to 135 months.
     
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  4. Amiga

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    Updated summary as of 7/6/22.

    18 Months Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol (justice.gov)

    Arrests made: More than 855 defendants have been arrested in nearly all 50 states and the District of Columbia. (This includes those charged in both District and Superior Court).

    Criminal charges:
    • Approximately 263 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 90 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
      • Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
    • Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
    • Approximately 747 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Over 80 additional defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
    • More than 50 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 35 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
    • More than 280 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
    • Approximately 50 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.

    Pleas:
    • Approximately 329 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing.
      • Approximately 264 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors. Another 65 have pleaded guilty to felonies.
      • A total of 24 of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to federal charges of assaulting law enforcement officers. Approximately 10 additional defendants have pleaded guilty to feloniously obstructing, impeding, or interfering with a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. Of these 34 defendants, 12 have now been sentenced to prison terms of up to 63 months.
      • Three of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded guilty to the federal charge of seditious conspiracy.
    Trials:
    • 10 individuals have been found guilty at trials, including 8 who were found guilty of felony charges. One of these defendants was found guilty of assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers using a deadly or dangerous weapon, a felony.

    Sentencings:
    • Approximately 203 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 99 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 67 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 11 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration.
     
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  5. Commodore

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    So...he reminded everyone to not be destructive and they weren't.

    Bullshit
     
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  7. jo mama

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    all the cops who fist-bumped and offered any kind of support or encouragement to the trump insurrectionists should be fired and charges should be brought against them if they broke any laws or failed to do their duty.
     
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    Eating your own
     
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    Unlike other jailed victims, he contacted feds when he found out they were looking for him and cooperated with them. Of course right wing crazies who buy into strange theories continue to target him with death threats.
     
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    He's a moderate Democrat...
     
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    Sad and Disturbing

    A Capitol Police officer who was so badly beaten during the January 6, 2021, insurrection that he decided to retire from law enforcement, said all but two Republican lawmakers "avoid" him and "pretend not to see" him in the halls of Congress.

    “For some people, that day came and went, and for me, to this day, I’m still dealing with those ramifications,” Gonell said. “You try to adapt to your new normal, but it’s hard.”

    “You have a lot of the people we protected on the day downplaying what happened. Sometimes I run into them in the hallway, and they pretend not to see me,” Gonell said. “They avoid me or bolt to the right or the left or pretend to be doing something else.”

    https://businessinsider.mx/capitol-officer-injured-in-january-6-riot-republicans-avoid-him-2022-7/
     
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    They probably do the same when they look in the mirror.
     
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    Terrorism is tricky game, should probably not try to overthrow the government.
     
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    I feel so bad for these criminal thugs
     
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    It’s as if you don’t realize that there’s numerous videos of the whole damn day or that it wasn’t televised. Either that or you think we are the biggest idiots to ever walk the face of the earth.

    Oh and I know some of the capital police were chumming it up with the terrorists. Again… it was televised and we saw firsthand several cops just roll over and act like it’s no big deal. Those cops should be prosecuted or at least fired if they haven’t been already.
     
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    What were the police supposed to do after they were overrun? I think at this point you act friendly and go with threat reduction. We’re mad at cops when they are militaristic and mad at them when they are friendly. It seems like a no win situation. I don’t see anything wrong with this officer’s behavior.

    The cops let us in and were friendly, so we didn’t do anything wrong argument is bullshi. The cop waved at me after I shoplifted. That means shoplifting is okay. :rolleyes: Nope you committed a crime, the cops just couldn’t feasibly stop what was happening.
     
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    Retreat back to the line of defense with their colleagues. If an area is overrun get out of there and fall back to help hold the line at the next fall back line. Talking to them is one thing. What you are saying to them is another. The officer could have calmly said that he recommends an exit because what they are doing is highly illegal, there are cameras everywhere, and at some point the national guard is going to come in here, and things could get dangerous and you don't want them to get hurt.

    But yes they were in a no win situation for the most part. Setup by Christopher Miller who in his memo ordered a stand down, and set them up to be overrun. This is a part of the 1/6 committee that I have no idea why it isn't a huge deal. Read this memo where he is basically saying that sure... the National Guard in DC can be used... but you actually can't do anything.

    I think this is a big reason as to why they had to have the Executive Branch (AKA Trump) override Christopher Miller's order and allow the DC National Guard to actually control the riot instead of sit on the sidelines and watch which is what the order mandated. Pelosi couldn't override Miller or the Executive Branch despite the narrative you hear from people like Gym Jordan who anytime 1/6 comes up tries to blame Pelosi as if she has the power to override the Secretary of Defense.

    The big question is what happened that allowed Pence to be deputized in order to issue the order himself???.... did the cabinet temporarily invoke the 25th and we don't even know about it??? It's just crazy that we are getting no answers to any of this. I assume that they aren't going there because subpoenaing DOD and Miller would take years to go through the courts, and DOD's classification status' probably are iron clad to Congressional Hearings... which is a shame because this is such a HUGE part of 1/6.

     
  20. JuanValdez

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    I agree with this. Some cops may have been sympathetic, others might have stood by so they can be on-hand in case something more serious than vandalism was going on. Retreating entirely could make the situation more combustible, while active policing probably would start a fight they couldn't win. So a cop giving a rioter a fist bump is unremarkable to me. It could mean many things.

    However, for a rioter to point at an officer's fist bump or an officer opening some doors and saying, 'come on in!' does not give them some license to break the law. Officers aren't authorized to tell people they can trespass or vandalize or assault people. It may have caused some people some confusion, which might help in their legal defense, but it doesn't absolve anyone of the moral culpability of their crimes. There is no video of any officer condoning law-breaking that can convince me that the rioters were in some way justified in their actions. Rot in jail, please.
     

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