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Where do you think Kevin Porter Jr. will be for the 2023-24 season?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Dec 1, 2021.

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Where do you think Kevin Porter Jr. will be for the 2023-24 season?

  1. Starting point guard for the Houston Rockets

  2. Starting two-guard or wing for the Houston Rockets

  3. Coming off the bench for the Houston Rockets

  4. On another team

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  1. 34to11

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    To be clear that "some of you" wasn't specific to you but rather the contingent who seem to believe that his throwing a tantrum, quitting on the team and literally leaving the arena at halftime is no big deal.
     
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  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah....that's my point, you are acting like it was some end of the world kind of thing which is hilarious if you aren't new to basketball.

    Like I said, I do wish I could see what the fans clutching pearls about KPJ would have thought about Olajuwon's antics faking injury and refusing to suit up or slapping opposing players and teammates.

    A player leaving after they are benched for the rest of the game is bad certainly, but it's really not the kind of thing to be continuing to harp on this much later....especially considering he turned his season around IMMEDIATLEY after that incident.

    I kind of just wish those certain fans would just admit that they don't like the kid and stop pretending to have valid reasons for it. I'd respect that more.
     
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    Anyone that's not brand new to basketball or completely blinded by cognitive bias would understand that without a problem. KPJ is currently overall the most talented player on the entire roster, so the team will overlook the one incident.....and honestly they'd overlook more.

    Just look at all the BS Ron Artest pulled here that they swept under the rug.
     
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  4. BigM

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    To be fair I don’t think anyone says it’s no big deal. It’s a big deal. It’s just not a career ender. There’s also something here akin to the crazy/hot scale. I’m not sure what KPJ could have gotten away with vs his talent level but it’s probably more than walking away at halftime and less than punching a teammate in the face in the locker room. If the Rockets didn’t believe in his talent he’d have been cut already.
     
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    The Rockets really are in a position to let KPJ play it out as long as he doesn’t do anything you can’t come back from. I don’t think he has Artest leash though lol.
     
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  6. Bobbythegreat

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    I mean, he might. He's a more talented player than Artest. I personally hope it wouldn't come to that though. It wouldn't surprise me if we didn't see any more issues going forward.....and the same "fans" will still be whining about the one incident years from now.
     
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  7. 34to11

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    MISTAKE #1: Assuming I wasn't around when the Olajuwon allegations occurred. Furthermore, I can list at least 10 others players who have feigned (or been accused of feigning) injury to get traded.
    And for the record, Charlie Thomas was no bastion of virtuousness himself.

    MISTAKE #2: Continuing to gloss over the unprecedented nature of Porter's tantrum and bail out.

    MISTAKE #3: Assuming anyone who criticizes a guy with a history of issues must somehow just "don't like the kid". Check my post history and you'll see there were few more excited in anticipation of him making the year 3 leap.
    But we know how that turned out.

    MISTAKE #4: Thinking anyone gives a damn about your "respect", lol.
     
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    If the Rockets were championship contenders, no one would care about that incident. People love the players as long as they're winning. Y'all remind me of someone who would bring up a person's misdemeanor charge 20 years later. I'm sure he apologized to his teammates and staff, and they all moved forward. You should too. I hope he stays with the team because the Rockets are a good center and a year of development away from being a playoff team (my opinion). They should grow together and create some amazing chemistry the way Boston did.
     
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  10. Bobbythegreat

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    I didn't assume you weren't around, I'm assuming you are blinded by cognitive bias. I was just trying to remind you of history so you'd stop being so foolish trying to pretend that what KPJ did was even close to as bad as Olajuwon assaulting opposing players and teammates or Ron Artest getting drunk at halftime.

    The assumption is that you aren't actually as stupid as you are coming across, that you are simply blinded by cognitive bias because you don't like the kid. By all means, you can convince me otherwise if you really want to.

    You say "we know how that turned out" as if KPJ had a bad season....there was a ton to like about KPJ last year, especially towards the end of the season. If you think last season was bad for KPJ, what do you think about Jalen Green's season? I mean, he had the same slow start and hot finish but he wasn't a two way player like KPJ....so you must REALLY think he did poorly.

    Oh kiddo, you don't have to care about anything, by all means continue to embarrass yourself for my amusement. Many here do.
     
  11. Deckard

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    Punching a teammate in the face (btw, why does it have to be in the face? a wild swing that grazes the dunking head of the target wouldn't count?) during a locker room argument is less weird than angrily leaving the venue at halftime and driving away in your car to who knows where. Yes, throwing a punch in anger is less weird, in my humble opinion.
     
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  12. 34to11

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    Ah, there it is. You just can't help yourself can you.
    It always comes back to the same thing; your desperate ongoing obsession with shading Jalen Green.

    Dude, you just spent a whole season slurping Porter for the sole purpose of casting aspersion on Green because you couldn't get over your Mobley fetish.

    Now here we are a season later and the irrepressible lackwit Booby is still at it, lol. I guess you've committed too much to the bit to turn around now no matter how clownish, right?

    I'll leave you to it.
     
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    My obsession? I personally think he did great after the all star game and I'm excited for his future, I was merely pointing out that YOU must think he did terrible since apparently you think KPJ did....and KPJ was overall better with a more well rounded game. They both struggled early on, they both finished the season on fire.....but you have radically different takes on the two. Odd.

    Most normal Rockets fans are excited about their best players, it's always interesting to me how the few who have an irrational take on KPJ seem to always stem from some kind of twisted support of Green. Is that where it comes from with you?

    There's really no reason for that absurd mindset, the two players are personally close and they have games that complement one another.....there's no reason why you couldn't support both.....but the over the top Jalen Green fans always seem to be the same types who have the irrational takes on KPJ. I just point out that you guys are making yourselves look dumb.
     
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    Empirically so.

    Fisticuffs are relatively common from high school level on up. To the point it's become part of the lore for some of the most famous names in the sport: Jordan, Barkley, Olajuwon, Sloan, Ainge, Thomas, the list goes on.

    But a midgame peel-out is a first to my knowledge.
     
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    I think it is fair to favor TMc with some cred.
     
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    Stop. Stop. I see Artest name being mentioned.
    KPJ hasn't proven to be a tenth of a player as good as Artest.

    Come on. Artest led the team vs champion Lakers to 7 games after Yao went down in game 2. How Rockets fans can forget that?
    Imagine comparing prime Artest in Indiana...

    To my point. As great as Artest was, his career was stained by his demeanor....
    While KPJ has done nothing to tell other than running plays for a tanking team while also being a hot head (ok, less of a hot head but also lesser of a player)

    KPJ is just on his second and final shot. I do think Silas and Lucas are trying to put him on track as they know the Rockets is his last shot at the NBA. And I am pretty much convinced this is kind of talk they have between then.

    As much as I dont like KPJ to be our PG, I do wish the kid well. Hopefully here in the Rockets, but as a 6th man.
     
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  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Artest was a 3 and D role player....and he struggled with that 3 for the first 7 or 8 years in the league. He never "led" any team.
     
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    I see kids the agevof KPJ straighten up and flourish in my profession all the time.

    I also see them never quite be able to escape their own selves.

    KPJ earned the right to start at pg this year and continue to prove himself. I think he is going to do well.
     
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  19. hajkov

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    1x all star
    1x dpoy
    1x all NBA
    4x all defensive

    Guess your standards of a role player are really high... Or you just started watching the NBA in the 2010 season.
     
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    If we can some how get Victor Wembanyama, I can see us as a 5th seed.
     

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