Yeah, I feel the Rockets are fine with Gordon having that Augustin vet presence role.... money coming off the books at seasons end. Not wanting to add unwanted salary from a trade unless it's for a better than average to good player in return. Unless the Rockets need the roster spot.....just keep him. Deal him for 2 or 3 second round picks at the deadline.
My guess is Stone is looking for a trade where he can offload Gordon, Burke, Brown, Boban, etc. Several contracts for one player or a player and a pick. That would probably take some time. I'd like to see Martin Jr. stay just to see what we have with him though Eason may have just erased him on the depth chart. I'd like to see the defense with Martin Jr / Eason / Smith Jr. all on the court at the same time.
Gordon is still skilled enough to be on a contender, but doesn't complain about his role or playing time on a rebuilding team and brings his "A" game on the court. Most guys of his caliber would have pushed to get traded, mailed it in, or played selfishly. I think this is why the Rockets management truly love having Gordon on the team and around the young players, and why they haven't budged on any of the trade offers so far.
Rockets don’t want any undesirable salary for more than next season coming back in an EG trade, which is understandable given their priority on preserving cap space for the 2023 offseason. With that in mind it’s really challenging to see any of the major suitors having enough matching salary to do a trade straight up. Most teams can offer a future 1st round pick. 3-team deals seem like the most realistic possibility, and those are hard to forecast. Bucks: Unless they send us Lopez in a deal for EG, they’d have to aggregate 5 contracts to send back matching salary. The Bucks view Lopez as an important piece and we are unlikely to take back 5 expiring contracts when we already have 19 roster spots with guaranteed salary. 76ers With Danny Green off their books, they simply do not have enough expiring contracts to trade for EG Heat Without unloading Duncan Robinson’s multi-yr contract the Heat don’t come close to having enough expiring contacts to trade for EG, and Herro is unlikely to be moved in such a deal. Suns Phoenix appears to be the best candidate to make a straight up trade for EG. Crowder (I suspect too valuable to trade) and Saric’s expiring contracts almost get them there, but they also have Payne and Craig’s expiring contracts worth $10 mil. Of course there’s also the question of Ayton RFA and the Kevin Durant sweepstakes. Safe to say that the Suns are gonna want to retain maximum flexibility until those things shake out. But they are the team best suited to offer a similar deal to the one we got from Dallas for Wood: a protected 1st round pick, plus expirings, for EG.
I, uniquely, no one else at all, wish to see a recap of each trade offer rejected by RS, the very best, v The Rest. Are the trade offers as ‘leaked’ or do each contain its own warts
Stone needs to trade for Myles Turner AND Matisse Thybulle so Rockets can become ELITE defensive team. To Sixers Eric Gordon Joe Harris To Pacers John Collins Rockets 2024 FRP (Swap option) To Hawks Kevin Durant KJ Martin To Nets Tobias Harris Bogdan Bogdanovic David Nwaba Usman Garuba Hawks 2023 FRP Hawks 2024 FRP Pacers 2025 FRP (Lottery Protected) Rockets 2027 FRP (Lottery Protected) Hawks 2029 FRP Sixers 2029 FRP Hawks 2024 FRP (Swap option) Hawks 2028 FRP (Swap option) Hawks 2025 SRP Hawks 2026 SRP To Rockets Myles Turner Matisse Thybulle Jalen Johnson Pacers 2023 FRP (Swap option)
I dont hate it.. but I dont see why the 76ers help the Hawks contend. Thats kissing your sister right there.
I like Thybulle, but there is a reason, that Morey wants to get rid of him. He is basically a zero on offense. He doesn't provide any spacing, he isn't a very good passer and he doesn't get to the line. In todays NBA, the other teams will just ignore him and play 4 on 5. There is also the question of whose spot he should take. He is a 2 or 3. Right now we have Green, Christopher, Tate, Eason and KJ playing his positions. Tate shot the same percentage as Thybulle from 3 last season and is better on everything else offensively, including rebounds. Josh was a little worse from 3, but he should be able to improve that. I would play all of these players of Thybulle right now - in part to see them progress but also, because they can be productive on both ends of the floor. And Thybulle is up for a contract extension. Of course, no one is as good as Thybulle defensively. But with Smith, Eason and Tate we do have our defensive core in place right now - this team looks a lot different from last year on the defensive side. We don't need help that much any more. Maybe a rim protector...
It's really not a big deal. Hardly any vets left on the team and his contract is expiring. Would be stupid to trade him for just an expiring contract when you can just let his contract expire. Rotation depth is irrelevant, no one but uninformed obsessive compulsive fans care how deep we are at each position in a rebuilding season. We'll go small and push everyone up one position. For young players, even playing out of position is great experience. Having said that, I don't like his attitude on the court. He's a ref whiner and some of the young guys will pick that habit up. It's a totally idiotic habit, complaining does not get you more calls in the long run. It's tempered by the fact that refs don't like whiners and will skip some other calls because of it. Just play the game and get back on defense, save the whining for key playoff moments so that its understood its a special situation and not just any time you attack the basket. Happy to lose him for expiring contract of a player who doesn't mind being benched most of the season. Gordon doesn't want to be here, and hasn't wanted to for a while. People who's feelings are hurt are most risky.
Thybuille is D-Rock’s new Simmons. I wouldn’t mind him in place of Tate or KJM on the off chance that he could develop a little bit of offense. He, like Simmons, are really good defensive players. He un-like Simmons will come off the bench and not dominate the ball. All that being said I don’t think either the Nets or the Hawks would sign on for this deal.
I obviously would prefer landing Myles Turner with Ego somehow, but..... HOU - PHI - CHA PHI: Gordon (HOU) CHA: Thybulle (PHI) + Korkmaz (PHI) + Niang (PHI) HOU: Milton (PHI) + K. Jones (CHA) + Plumlee (CHA) Plumlee bought out for $6M + rights to DEN 2023 pick (via CHA) 15 - 30 HOU-DET DET: Boban (HOU) + Burke (HOU) + Brown (HOU) + Chriss (HOU) + future SRP HOU: Olynyk (DET) Nwaba traded to Clippers (or Pacers or Mavs or Nets) for future SRP or included in DET trade Scoot - Shake - TyTy Thrilla - JayGup - Nix KMJ - Tate - GBird JSJ - ERason - Garuba Sengun - Olynyk - K. Jones
To Sixers Eric Gordon To Spurs Korkmaz Thybulle Marjanovic Niang Milton Kenyon Martin To Rockets Jakob Poeltl Might need to do a pick from Philly to Houston or SAS... Rockets flip Gordon for premium center depth with size. Also no long term money.... could push and help develop Sengun for a year... Spurs are tanking and converting 27 year old Poeltl needing an extension next year as an unrestricted fa to 22 year old Kenyon Martin under club control for 2 years before rfa and 25 year old Thybulle entering rfa in a year. Thybulle seems like the kind of player the Spurs like to develop. Sixers get Gordon for Thybulle and salary filler... Maybe send a sixers first to Houston and a couple of 2s to Spurs from Houston...
Thybulle would LEAD this defense and turn a very good defense into a truly elite one. Even if he's on the 2nd unit. Rockets would have 2 or 3 plus defenders on floor all the time. Lean into our strength. There will be enough scoring between Green, KPJ, Sengun, Mathews, Eason, Jabari and TyTy.
Hawks wouldn't want to replace Collins with Durant??? They are looking at similar trade package for Ayton. KD is much more dominant than Ayton. And 3 FRP, 3 SRP, 2 pick swaps is peanuts for player of Durants talent. And Nets would seriously consider 6 FRP, 3 SRP and 2 pick swaps methinks.
Jalen Johnson is my new Ben Simmons. Matisse Thybulle was on my radar and in many of my trades since he was drafted. Check the archives, I've always wanted him. If anything Thybulle is my new Robert Covington.
KPJ Green Eason Jabari Sengun NIx or TyTy or Hudgins (this man can shoot!) JC Thybuille Tate ? Some tall defensive center. Of course you wouldn’t be taking all your scorers out at once. Queen and Matthews might be able to spread the floor a little. You are right though we would be extremely gifted on the defensive side of the ball. Worth a chance if all it costs us is Gordon and/or KJM.
