Home slice check it You are gaining 2 SP who can help your club where they are weak. They are 4th in there Division. This is gonna be a sellers market PERIOD. So Urquidy Odorizzi Lee Mccormick for Gurriel Moreno and Biggio This is about as equal as your gonna get I would even maybe throw in another prospect
Spare parts trade proposals aside, feel like I need to point out it's all incredibly unlikely a top catcher prospect swap would ever happen. As the Astros have consistently shown, there's way more to catching than what shows up in the box score. There's been *years* of development in organizational catching strategy that's being instilled in those guys. E.g. framing, receiving, throwing, pitcher management, game calling. If the Blue Jays believe in their strategy it'd be insane throw that all away unless they were getting a huge/no-doubter upgrade.
This isn't fantasy sports. Even if I agreed with your valuations of players and evaluation of the market, which I don't, there's a ton of reasons why that particular trade makes little sense. First off, just chop the catcher prospect swap out for the reasons I mentioned in the above post. Then you get Urquidy/Odorizzi/Chassy Fizz for Lourdes Gurriel/Biggio From the Astros standpoint, you're talking a super marginal upgrade in the OF (both productivity and upside) and a backup IF for two starting pitchers. I'd keep the pitching depth every day over burning two starters on marginal OF starter and IF backup improvements. From the Blue Jays perspective, I'd much rather just offer a B-level prospect/org top 10 for Odorizzi outright rather than make that overly complicated swap.
We are not in a playoff race. The race is over. We’ve won. Everything we do should be pointed at October. You only need 4 starters in October. We have way more than enough starters right now.
Its also Know they are actively looking for a Catcher to learn behind Maldy who has a little pop in his bat. And also looking at Urquidy with 4yrs left on his minimum contract is way higher value then you think. His value is quite high from what Im understanding and Jake Odorizzi is doing well not last start but he still has time to show he is ok. So saying spare parts is not they correct assumption. They are relative parts to make trades for better long term options. the Blue jays have 4 Prospects whom are pretty decent at C so yea its not like they are Gonna bench Kirk.
Urquidy has value. No question. He's solid and under team control for more years as you said. But if that's the case, why would the Astros trade him for marginal upgrades? Why would the Blue Jays (understanding that they want a starting pitcher upgrade) not just trade Moreno outright for Urquidy? My contention with your proposals is not that Houston and Toronto don't have areas of needs, the means to fill them, or are even bad trade matches. But the trades need to make sense. Overly complicated trades and trades of marginal utility don't tend to happen.
I get what your saying But Lourdes can play many Positions hasn't hit under .270 as a hitter ever so its not like its for a bad player. its like for upgrades in general. Biggio isn't doing bad in AAA he is hitting .280 AVG. He might just need a change of scenery . and he would be a lotto ticket. The prize is Moreno we are paying more just for him and Lourdes. this if we make a trade like that would help us more if we make a move for a Trey Mancini or Josh Bell. Our Bench and next year LF would be taken care of. Don't under value what we are trying to acquire also note Odorizzi has value aswell. and we Can sure enough call up Hunter Brown and finally give him a shot. Javier would have his Rotation spot and LMJ would and could float in to the Rotation aswell.
If there’s a trade made with the Jays it will be for Jansen and yes we’d be giving up a pitcher. That said, given the state of the catchers offensively in the MLB right now, I have a feeling Contreras is going to cost a fortune and don’t even know if Urquidy and a prospect would be enough to get Jansen. Urquidy’s peripherals aren’t good and teams know high strike out guys are what you want in a playoff series - just don’t see him bringing in much. Odorizzi is a FA and has been so up and down he’s pretty much worthless too. Regardless, it’s almost as if the playoffs last year didn’t show people you can never have enough pitching depth. Let’s trade for Bell and call up Hunter Brown to pitch out of the pen. That along with adding LMJ back to the rotation is enough to get this team another trophy IMO.
This is not even close to being equal. Odorizzi is a FA after this year - his value is minimal. Quite frankly, I don’t even think they’d take that deal for just Moreno and just because they have a surplus of catchers doesn’t mean they’re going to hand over a top 10 MLB prospect for a couple average MLB players.
Why do you expect Bell to be too expensive? He’s a rental at a position most, if not all, contenders have no need. Look what Schwarber and Rizzo were traded for last year. With injuries and how many days off guys get playing for Dusty, Yuli would still get a decent amount of ABs…Diaz should never be a DH for this team like he was today.
If the Blue Jays need pitching that badly, trade them Urquidy and Bielak for Vladdy and Montero. That solves their pitching issues because they are getting two starters, we upgrade 1B with Vladdy and solve our catcher problem with Montero. I would even throw in Yuli so he could play with his brother and Castro, who might get to play a lot more if Kirk starts to struggle Then, since we only need 4 starters in the playoffs and we have LMJ, Brown and Whitley all ready to dominate, we could trade Garcia and Framber to the Angels for Trout, Ohtani and Addel. Garcia and Framber solves their long time rotation issues, Trout could play CF for us which moves Jake to 4th OF, and Ohtani could DH when we want Yordan to play LF, so that makes those spots a lot more solid Last one I would trade Barber to Cleveland for Ramirez. Cleveland would save a lot of money in the deal which is great for them, they get a stud OF prospect in Barber, and we get depth behind Bregman at 3B. If Bregman goes in another slump, problem is already solved you just play Ramirez. If Bregman keeps hitting, Ramirez can DH when you want to rest Ohtani, or give him a start as a pitcher, and Ramirez could also play 1B so you don't wear Vladdy out That is what I would do, if I were the GM
So much this. Look at the trades for big bats in a walk year- they come relatively cheap. Bell can definitely be had. Without Brown. Probably without any of our top 5 guys.
Yes. Let’s make it so we have 10 guys who can pitch at a major league level and not explore any trade possibilities. Because that 13 game lead just isn’t big enough. You can never have too much pitching. Odo might be key to us making the playoffs. Certainly will be key to maybe winning a World Series. After all, when we were held together last year with duck tape and bailing wire he got zero leverage innings. I’m sure with our plethora of arms he will he be integral to our hopes this year.
100%. Schwarber is arguably a superior player and he hauled in just a A pitching prospect that isn’t even close to cracking any top 100 list. Also, people need to remember the new CBA wiped out the draft pick compensation for losing FAs with a QO so that’s no longer able to be used as leverage…they have to sell.
As I understand it, FA draft compensation is tied to the International Draft which has not been agreed upon yet. https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mlbpa-agree-to-cba
Name Position MTV ($Ms) Bell 1B 5.6 Total Value: 5.60 Nationals for Name Position MTV ($Ms) Ivey RHP 0.7 Matijevic OF 1.8 Solomon RHRP 3.0 Total Value: 5.50 This is a Fair trade for Bell depending on what the Nationals are looking for
After looking into it, you’re correct - I misinterpreted it when I originally read the details back in March. As of yesterday they hadn’t come to an agreement and have until July 25th to do so… Which doesn’t sound likely.
