Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

If your Ex was young, financially unstable and having sex relying on the promise of a bf.. that's dumb and irresponsible and she contributed to putting herself in a **** situation. She could have avoided that by refusing to have sex under those circumstances, which would have been the smart and responsible thing and would have led her to avoid a lot of suffering it sounds like.

 

It’s pretty well known that abstinence based programs largely don’t work. Or they lead to increases in such things as anal and oral sex.

I agree they sex should be used responsibly and I also agree that abortions should be rare and ideally never happen. Sex though is one of the most powerful forces in our biology and psyche. Merely telling people “don’t do it except for procreation” isn’t going to work. We’ve been telling people not to have sex outside of marriage since the institution was invented and throughout history there have been “bastards” and other children out of marriage. For that matter in most of history abortion has existed.

If we really want to reduce unwanted pregnancies and abortions we should be looking to ways to make every birth wanted. That’s not going to happen with judge mental moralizing but it will happen with access to better family planning and natal and early childhood healthcare and a lot of other things that will make it easier to raise children.

 

So you are blaming her.

I’m curious when a con man swindles an old lady out of her social security check do you think she’s also to blame when she could’ve just not signed the check over?

 

Dumb. I haven't mentioned anything about abortion in the context of legitimate health reasons concerning the mother.

Yes... I blame the male as well but yes, she had agency and made an irresponsible decision. Had she made the responsible one, she wouldn't have found herself in a sh** situation.

 

wut?

 

You're making the claim only irresponsible people have abortions. I presented you a common scenario where married couples with multiple children also have abortions that under your guidelines would fit as responsible sex doers.

Also let's be really honest here. Divorce rates in the U.S. are high. Married couples do get divorced even after having children with their partner. Women typically are the one's encouraged in relationships to go through a more dangerous and invasive procedure to sterilize themselves in getting a hysterectomy even though dude's can get a vasectomy which is a simple outpatient day surgery that is far less dangerous. Reason being is, again divorces are high. Men in their 40s and 50s still able to pull a woman in her 20s and remarry might find themselves wishing their swimmers still had a solid pipeline to go through to raise a second family with their second wife if the second wife was wanting children of her own, which again is fairly common. So again women are the one's sterilized, usually the first wife. Not men. Which again sterilization seems the opposite of being Pro-Life, as that really would be the only sure fire way to prevent pregnancy 100%.

Because even responsible couples miss their birth control, or run into sexual health complications that make birth control not always a viable option, which you imply are the ultimate super responsible sex doers society should strive to be more like. Even your model couple monogamous sex doers can have viable reasons for getting an abortion that should remain a private matter between a woman, her healthcare provider and the husband, again assuming it's a healthy relationship.

 

Ah, ok, let's do silly analogies.

If someone on Clutchfans.net messages me and tells me "I can get you a 50% return on your investment, send me our life savings" and I do it, and that person makes off with my money... was that an irresponsible decision by HTM or was HTM "blameless"?

 

No, you're misconstruing things. We are talking about responsibility vis-a-vis the decision to have sex and under what circumstances. A married couple who is open to the possibility of a baby is not acting irresponsibly. That has nothing to do with what decision you will make after you have sex and it turns out you have a problematic pregnancy.

 

What if the OB/GYN doctor immediately after having the 3rd kid says no more babies. Yet after the woman heals up, she goes back to her husband and they get frisky one weekend. Unplanned pregnancy occurs. Would that be irresponsible? Like, would you say the responsible thing would be sterilization under such a scenario? Because couples are going to have sex with each other, often, and most of the time without the intention of procreation in the back of their head while doing it. Should married couples that shouldn't have any more children cease having sex? What's your solution?

Why aren't you for mandatory blood and plasma donations? And mandatory organ transplanting? Or mandatory stem cell research that could assist the chronically ill living today? They need our help. The sick need us to live.

 

Uh, the scenario you just laid out is a doctor telling people not to have sex... for health reasons and then two people have sex anyway and an unplanned pregnancy occurs... doesn't it strike you as irresponsible to go against your doctors advice regarding sex?

 

The doctor didn't say stop having sex. Said stop having babies. You're confusing the two on purpose. So you're for making a married couple live a celibate lifestyle as well? You sure love invading people's privacy and sex lives to make sure it's only the good kind of procreating sex happening it seems. How would you know though without somehow getting into people's lives to determine such a thing. Again seems incredibly invasive of people's privacy for what is a healthy act between at least two consenting legally aged adults.

 

If getting my wife pregnant would endanger her health... it's not responsible to have sex with her unless getting her pregnant wasn't a possibility.

 

So would you get a vasectomy and encourage men to get a vasectomy or is that a woman's responsibility? It seems like sterilization is the opposite of life.

Again why not make blood and plasma donations mandatory. Or organ harvesting after death? Or even painful stem cell research that is incredibly invasive and uncomfortable for up to 9 months? We are talking about the sanctity of life man. Why aren't we taking more action?

 

The health of my wife > sex. You or your wife can lose access to their sexual faculties for any number of reasons tomorrow. Hopefully someone cherishes their marriage more then sex. But looking around here, I kind of doubt that.

 

So you wouldn't get a vasectomy to still have sex with your wife and keep her healthy and have a healthy sexual relationship with her? Imagine viewing your spouse as un****able while citing it's for her health why you're not doing it and even more so, it's out of love you're not touching her anymore even though she wants you to. You're a catch man. You should be drafting national, excuse me, state laws over sexual health and wellness.

 

Oh, right, I'm the bad guy here because I wouldn't put the life of my spouse at risk in the pursuit of my sexual pleasure. How selfish of me? Or something...

Vasectomies aren't 100% effective as far as I'm aware. So, you could get one and still get your wife pregnant. Then you're either 1. Going to kill her or 2. Going to have her get an abortion which, IMO and maybe hers, is pretty F**ked up. And for what? Because your selfish childish ass can't go without vaginal penetrative sex.

People cannot have sex or cannot safely have sex for any number of reasons. That sucks but that's an unfortunate part of life.

 

Do you just assume women don't enjoy sex? Has that been your personal experience? Women love sex too. You'd think a married couple for decades would have a say over their own sexual choices but not in your world. Again for people who go up in arms about privacy and rights, you'd think invading in people's sex lives would also be off limits too. And again you gloss over not making blood and plasma donations mandatory since life is so sacred. Or organ harvesting.

Like it doesn't seem logically inconsistent to you that a dead person whose organs can be harvested to save multiple lives has more autonomy over their body than a woman even though both are dependent to save life?

 

1. Nope. I think women do enjoy sex. However, I think if their health care professional told them they may die if they get pregnant, that may effect how they exercise their sexual faculties, it would certainly give me pause about how I exercise my sexual faculties with my wife.
2. I've never suggested anything be banned or any laws be created curtailing anyone's choices with regards to sex. Those choices can have terrible consequences though.
3. Uh, making blood or plasma a mandatory donation isn't an idea I've heard floated before... I don't know that people are dying in my area due to a shortage of blood or plasma... I'll donate my organs.. if that makes you happy?
4. You sound like a bunch of skeezes in here who would leave their spouse if they lost their ability to exercise their sexual faculties tomorrow. Grow up. Be a man.

 

You still act like abortion isn't a viable and safe healthcare option for a woman with sexual health complications that is medically advised by OG/GYN staff regularly. It is.

You said you're not suggesting regulations on access to abortion. So you disagree with the USSC on Roe v Wade then even though you think are married couple with potential sexual health complications that are still capable of enjoying sex shouldn't? So, is it more that you think abortion should be accessible to women without pause? Just that you believe it's grossly irresponsible to perform abortions while still giving women access to them?

https://www.plasmahero.org/news/are-there-more-plasma-shortages-our-future

https://www.redcross.org/about-us/n...shortage-blood-donations-urgently-needed.html

https://www.aier.org/article/the-organ-shortage/

That's over 100,000 precious lives that could be saved making organ harvesting mandatory.



Imagine if 100% of all able bodied adults had to donate their blood, plasma and organs. We'd preserve so much life.

 

1. Ok. Thanks for bringing up this obscure topic regarding organ harvesting. I'd have to look at the arguments for and against and come to a determination on the issue. I've never seen anyone make the argument is should be mandatory.
2. This doesn't say there is a real blood or plasma shortage..