Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

I'm just glad they've taken a break from "he got impeached for sending mean tweets"

 

I'd been curious too. I figured she was an Ivy Leaguer just taking her first job in politics. But she's first generation college grad from Christopher Newport University, who won out on a coveted White House intern program and went on from there. Props to her for climbing up the hard way. I'll try not to hold being a Republican against her.

He was grabbing the wheel in his capacity as the President.

 

kind of a mostly peaceful protest

 

So Trump was all........"Jesus take the wheel......."

DD

 

How coveted was a Trump White House job? They were having to hold job fairs pretty constantly, and it had a ridiculous amount of turnover. I'd be very surprised if they were actually getting many Ivy Leaguers in there, most intelligent people didn't want that on their resume. And dealing with Trump where you have to do lots of extra things to please him and be a yes man can't have been fun

 

This is what they do though and it works for a lot of right wingers. We'll probably never know if it's actually true or not because the people with firsthand knowledge almost certainly aren't going to testify under oath, and the right wing media will run with saying "its disproven" because it was denied by "sources" (funny how they believe that when it benefits them), which your average consumer of right wing media will see and assume the whole thing was disproven.

It was a heck of a detail, but I truly wish she left it out. I doubt it was expected to go this way but it's the sort of detail to grab headlines over the important stuff

I hope though that your average person that's not a MAGA faithful gets the bigger picture though. But it doesn't help that the media picks up the most clickbaity parts for the headlines which in this case is the steering wheel thing

 

Agreed. It was a flash over substance part of the testimony. Not at all necessary, and still entirely possible that it's true.

 

the risk though is that if that part of the testimony gets discredited, all of her testimony is tainted . . . and worse, the credibility of the entire proceedings takes three steps back.

Seems like a pretty dumb decision to send her out there without having ground-truthed what they knew she was going to say ahead of time.

And the third person account of what she was told wasn't necessary at all. If the committee hadn't pressed that part of her testimony they would have been much better off

 

I'll give more creedence to the "sources" saying it's not true if they go testify under oath that it didn't happen

 

Unfortunately, Trump is far from a position to get prosecuted for his part in this, but it seems like the party winds are shifting from nominating him for 2024.

 

Sure. I don't think that part of her testimony was necessary. But if she was told that, it doesn't discredit her to answer the question. She's sticking by her statement and nobody has testified that she wasn't told that or that the story wasn't true.

So right now, I'll accept her sworn testimony over the attempts to discount coming from the camp that knowingly lied about the election, continues to do so among all of their other lies.

But as dramatic and fun as the grab the wheel testimony is, it is inconsequential to the case being made. True or not true doesn't change a thing.

Nobody is challenging the other parts of her testimony.

 

bolded is the key part. if she was in fact told the story, she's in the clear. But if the story-teller testifies under oath that he didn't tell her the story, she's in trouble. And if the driver says it never happened, her testimony is sunk.

 

They better hope he steps aside then, because if he still runs the MAGA faithful are going to be incredibly spiteful at whoever tries to run against him and might not vote in a general for whoever the party anointed over him. The party literally created a cult of personality around this dude and whole primaries are being decided not on policy but on whether you support Trump or not.

And if the party establishment tried to unite behind a non-Trump candidate, I'd be surprised if that doesn't embolden Trump to run even more. It's not like they can create scandals to oust him like they did with Cawthorn and trying with Boebert, dude as he said in his own words could go shoot someone on 5th avenue and his base would probably love it.

The best scenario for Republicans in 2024 is for Trump to step aside and agree to endorse someone whose not so directly tied to him, like DeSantis, and I'd be surprised if his narcissism allowed him to do that.

 

how about we wait to see this actually happen before discrediting her

 

I don't think he's that far. There are 4 potential charges he could face. Obstruction and inciting a riot seem pretty easy to prosecute at this point.

 

you must have missed the word "if"

 

Don't underestimate the power of the GOP propaganda channels like Fox News (which already seem like they're soft-leaning away from Trump from what I read) Newsmax, etc . If the powers that be want to go a different direction, these media outlets will pimp whomever is dictated.

 

There's law then there's politics. If Trump is prosecuted, who is next? Since the GOP will more than likely control both houses after the midterms, it behooves them as crooks to stick him in a corner rather than in a jail, because that could trickle down on them if they're linked. No one gives a **** about doing the 'right' thing anymore. It's pure self-centered motive now.

 

So many people have wrapped up their entire identity in Trump so much that I honestly think Pandora's Box was opened and I don't know if those news stations can stop it. And Trump himself is a wildcard that will always put his own preservation over the will of the powers that be, so that can throw a wrench in their plans anytime.

If they anoint a candidate I think that candidate can potentially win a primary over Trump assuming the non-Trump vote isn't split a lot of ways like it was in 2016, but you're going to have at least 30-40% of the Republican base really pissed off that they dared to challenge Trump. Some of them will probably come around to still vote once Republicans run the propaganda machine to scare them about the Democrat being worse, but I really don't think all of them would.

Specially if Trump went guns blazing on whoever got the nominee. You really think he won't try to claim the primary was rigged?

Their absolute best chance to close Pandora's Box was right after Jan 6th and with that impeachment trial, which would have prevented Trump from running had they convicted, and they went literally the opposite direction and tried to downplay the events. They'll never again get a chance to disavow him like they had then

 

All they care about is winning so unfortunately even if the guy is in jail for attempted murder for ordering a hit on Pence, if him at the top of the ticket means winning down ballot they'll fall in line. I think the Hershel Walker polling coinciding with a LIGHT shift from Trump currently isn't an coincidence. I think there is real fear more than anything that if Trump is enough of a disaster it'll lead to a larger majority in the Senate that could reverse some of the big ticket items at the Supreme Court they've worked 30 years to achieve.

So probably too early to say anything about GOP loyalty to Trump in 24, and more of a shift that is focused on at the very least minimizing the damage he could do in November of this year which could lead to reversing everything the GOP has worked towards for decades. When the GOP debates, and primaries start happen in 23 & early 24, I have my doubts that the sideshow of Trump playing insult clown on the stage to other feckless GOP candidates will not happen, and will not reinvigorate the Trump base enough to rally around him.... again.... and again.... and again... until the guy is dead.