Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

do you think if he had gone to the Capitol he might have stopped the insurrectionists from insurrectioning?

 

Maybe he passes out AR15 to them. I don't know and what I think isn't that important. Just pointing out it's an assumption.

 

Since during the riots, Trump said they were doing the right thing and that Pence deserved it, I don't think there is any reason to think he would have tried to stop it.

Add to that, that he could have tried to prevent it, spoken out sooner to try and stop it from the white house, especially after he was asked to try stop it multiple times and refused.

It is actually unreasonable to suggest he wanted to stop the violence.

 

I'm hesitant to go there yet, but there is a growing conspiracy online with some mild circumstantial evidence to suggest MTG might have been the one who left the pipe bombs as a way to trigger martial law or something as part of the coup attempt. The evidence is linked to her family history in demolition for construction so she'd have access to the materials, and apparently her shoes are a match to a shoe she's seen wearing other times. There's video's too that break down her gait when walking in comparison to the pipe bomber.

It's not the worst theory ever, but circumstantial, and technically a theory which we all need to get people to tone down in general as a society. BUT... there's alot of ways that it would make sense if real evidence or witness testimony emerged. No way that the pipe bomber wasn't somehow in the loop with the larger conspiracy and in the know with groups like the Proud Boys, etc.

It's amazing to me because these people are so incredibly incompetent that the evidence that has already come out is so damning and really unbelievable already how much we know about the planning and the obvious conspiracy.

 

Okay. Thanks for explaining. That's not really conclusive, but maybe.

 

I've never known what to make of the "Pence deserved it" and the "Hang Pence" claims. Still don't know what to make of them

 

MTG is the witness that just testified? JFC.

 

Oh, I'm not saying or thinking it's her. Would it be in here makeup to do something like that? Yep, hanging with right wing domestic terrorist types. The main post was the one I agree with. That was just a response I found amusing.

 

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hes too fat to make that commute

 

some posters don't like amusing posts. I posted something about ketchup and no one found it funny

 

All of this guessing is kind of a waste of time. We have what actually happens. We have what may happen. Why do we want to focus on the may and not the actuality? We don't. It might be fun and stuff, but it's at the end of the day, it's a, what is that, nutting burger.

 

They come from multiple sources each corroborative of the others.

Eastman's phone has been condlfiscated which means an independent judge believed it likely contained evidence and issued the warrant. Clarke's home has been raided for more evidence.

There are probably ways to get more corroboration.

There have been documents, call logs, and video footage that has backed most of the testimony given in these hearings thus far.

 

I think you guys are missing the obvious point here about Trump being at the Capital. There's no way he'd show up "to the steps". He might give a speech outside or whatever but the whole purpose IMO and the way that the House Republicans were acting in the House chamber to me shows that the plan was for him to be at least on the House floor in a way that sidelined or at least intimidated Pence into stepping aside. The House Republicans clearly looked on the House floor like they were preparing for a Trump rally.

I know I'm repetitive about the 1922 Mussolini threat of an attack on Rome that intimidated the King to step in and hand power to Mussolini. It's a blueprint that is just so common with Coup attempts, and one that Mike Flynn would know how to execute all too well. Flynn, Stone, Bannon, etc. all knew that if Trump was in the Capital building, Pence would capitulate, and not a damn person would do anything if he took to the podium, and said he actually won the election, or gave a BS speech about the need to delay because of fraud etc. etc. etc. Him being on the House or Senate floor giving an intimidating speech was the point. What was happening outside with the blackshirts was the gun to the head to intimidate showing that he actually has the power of their lives in his hands if he wants to take it.

Dark dark stuff.

 

It needs to be focused on for the criminal proceedings down the road. The need to show forethought, premeditation, awareness of illegality, etc.

It may not be as dramatic but it is an important part in holding those in leadership accountable.

It's not all guessing games of its statements at the time by those involved.

 

Oh I have no idea if she's testified. Given the fact that she was seeking a pardon I wouldn't consider hours of her just saying "I plead the 5th" as real testimony anyways. I though Franchise was just not aware of the theory about MTG and the pipe bombs.

 

The ketchup part was fine. It was just the odd add-on that distracted and diminished it.

 

You were correct. I hadn't heard that theory.

 

I have to be honest, every time I hear people describing the Jan 6 threats of assassination, hanging, and the like, I think of Ned Pepper's line from True Grit . . . "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man."

hard to tell how much of that threat is real versus how much of it is simply bold talk

here's the John Wayne version, I like the Jeff Bridges version better but can't find a short clip

 

just go ahead and admit it, you're a mustard guy. no shame in that