For you historians here, have we ever had a president in the past that needed a cheat sheet like Joe? Serious question.
I’m looking for more of a cheat sheet like the one Joe has, telling him what to do, where to go, what to say etc.
Well when your schedule look like this I guess the only thing left is giant sharpie notes about “No Quid Pro Quo” and that’s pretty much your only substantive message you plan to give America on any given day. We get it… Joe Biden is old. We knew that before we voted for him. Being old AF does not mean you aren’t able to do what is required physically to be president. It’s not a job that requires peak athleticism. It requires the ability to make good decisions based on your experiences, your moral judgement, and have the influential relationships to get good things done. The only real disappointment is that his relationships and his influence hasn’t been able to move Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema. LBJ wasn’t much sharper than Biden was given his recordings that were made public years later but the difference is the guy could influence like no other. He was an expert at getting votes behind the scenes. Other than that he was a pretty quirky old dude too and similar in a lot of ways. Other than that there’s no presidential requirement metric that he hasn’t met imo and I assume in the opinion of most Americans who will vote for him again if he runs again. If your goal is to come here and convince Dems that Biden sucks, hitting this note will get you nowhere. Speaking to the frustrations of being able to get Joe Manchin to move on legislation… THAT is where you’ll get Democrats to agree that he could be better, and he needs a better approach if he’s gonna run again. Coming from the party that worships a guy in Reagan who in his second term was far worse in terms of Alzheimer’s, Republicans really have no high ground in terms of displaying the values of mental fitness in their party leaders so I recommend just avoiding this talking point if your goal is to actually engage Democrats.
Yea looking at notes like this does nothing to show Biden is incompetent Looking at he results makes it pretty obvious though. I get many people would vote for him over Trump again, but they is simply because of their hatred of Trump, not because they truly think Biden has done a good job. The results are obviously clear
It’s probably not fair to just over simplify it as “hatred for Trump.” There’s the whole you know… preservation of democracy thing. The whole Supreme Court insurance if another SCOTUS dies. The ability to actually have government leadership in areas like the EPA that don’t service the fossil fuel billionaires. Etc etc etc. Oversimplifying Democratic voter motives to make it all about Trump is pretty ignorant, and a good reason why Republicans actually lose races they should win easily. Warnock and Ossoff won soley because the Republican Party could not deal with the elections being soley about the cult of Donald Trump. Turns out Dem voters actually do care about some stuff that isn’t soley about the cult of Donald Trump. Would I vote for a pet rock over Donald Trump??? Yes of course but does that have anything to do with Trumps personality, his hair, or whatever?? … no… it’s because at least that rock won’t hire corrupt criminals into governing agencies with the sole purpose of destroying it. The rock won’t try to overturn elections. The rock won’t put nut cases on the Supreme Court. Sometimes doing nothing is better than destruction of self interests. Is it preferred… hell no. But Joe Biden while not perfect and not deserving of cult status, is far from a pet rock. He’s done well, but of course we all should want and do deserve better. It’s actually weird that it’s the other way around with Republicans and Trump. You know he works for you right and you don’t always have to defend him right??? That’s kind of the beauty of Democracy that I wish Republicans appreciated more. So again… if you guys are here to make a case to Democrats that Biden sucks therefore you should do X… maybe you should actually seek to have a little intellectual curiosity as to what actually Democratic voters care about.
The primary process sucks. Americans like eating fast food slop, not even remotely wondering where or what it came from, then complain how it makes them fat and their **** stink.
Lol You seem to think only one party hires corrupt criminals, then you say I should seek to have intellectual curiosity You are a fool if you think either party is clean lol Big gov has you right where they want you, keep being a fool while both sides rob you blind As for Trump and elections You are also a fool if you think Biden was elected for ANY reason other than Trumps personality pissing off moderates in middle America Dems think it was because of Trumps policies, fossil fuels, yada yada yada Repubs think it was because the election was stolen lol. There has, and always will be, corruption in elections. This isn’t new at all, it’s simply brought to the face of people now because of social media. Was there any corruption? Sure, on both sides Both sides are wrong. Biden old senile ass won because Trump don’t have the ability to stfu. As someone who doesn’t trust either side, I just hope Trump doesn’t run again. Trump running again would give Biden (or another radical liberal) a great chance to win, and those liberal policies for 6 more years will bankrupt us (we are going bankrupt either way, but getting the radical left out will give us a better shot at having a couple more decades before it happens, but both sides spend our money like it’s free to print)
The old both sides... Failed argument. 1. Both sides have corruption, both sides do not have equal amounts of corruption. 2. There hasn't been mass fraud in every election and there wasn't in 2020. Only one side tried to cheat and use violence to avoid having to give up power. Only the people on worst/losing/criminal/corrupt side buy into the both sides argument.
So when given the chance to actually engage and understand why I voted for Biden, you instead just play the whataboutism card (both parties are not equal in corruption by the long shot), and disregard my priorities on climate, education, etc. etc. Did Trump also piss off moderates (namely white women) in suburban parts of purple states that had an impact???... hell yes of course he did. However we just had friends over who are suburban women with MAGA husbands who both were pissed off about the GOP overturning Roe. Biden didn't even get their vote in 2018 or 2020, but on this issue they seemed pretty damn animated enough to possibly flip them in the next two cycles. The whole "Dems are Equally as Bad" argument is one that is a key strategy for bad actors like Russia to propagate, but it's divorced from the reality that anyone with any intellectual honesty can clearly see. Yes demoralizing left leaning non-regular voters is a strategy that can work from time to time, and that seems to be your propaganda activist narrative here, but 2018 and 2020 show that even when Russia, FoxNews, etc. are pumping every ounce of effort into propagating that narrative, Democratic voters still show up in higher numbers than Republicans... because of what is at stake in terms of policy, and things like the Supreme Court. If you think the Dem voter base can be demoralized because Biden has notes, how demoralized do you think they were when Hillary Clinton was on the top of the ticket with a Dem appointee in James Comey announcing she's under FBI investigation??? EVEN THEN, 3 million more Democrats voted for her over Trump. Does that tell us that the Democratic Party can pick better candidates, and those candidates to be better???... Hell yes. Does that also mean that Democratic voters look past persona gravitas and vote on issues???... absolutely, and the Roe decision might very well activate a whole slew more of single issue voters in November and 2024 as well.
Lol Keep believing in your party, that's exactly what both sides want you to do I rarely ever post in this forum, but I come and read all yall fools blame each other for every single thing And actually, you should learn some history. Election fraud has been around as long as elections have. Social media hasn't, so most didn't know William Tweed would have loved you
Good to know you are a conspiracy theory person. Thank you for telling us where you are coming from with your opinion. Even Trump's own attorney general who moved heaven and earth for Trump has said in every which way that the conspiracy theories you obviously believe in are.. and I quote... "Bullsh$". So believe whatever you want. Believe that the earth is flat if you want if that's what let's you sleep at night. But sorry... there are still going to be many more people that believe in facts. I don't exactly love our electoral process, but there's only been once instance in our history of overturning an election, and even that was only due to Confederate States sending alternative slates of electors. The Bothsidism crap just isn't going to work dude. You can either listen to us, and have some intellectually honest debate, or you can just continue to spout off propaganda pulled from Russian troll memes. Your choice bud.
Lol, you might be the dumbest person i've tried to have a discussion with yet You are trying so hard to make me a Trumper, it ain't workin fella Because I don't fall in line with YOUR thinking, i'm a victim of bothism or the earth being flat or whatever lol You fools crack me up believing in your side in Washington Learn some history bro, quit being used
I understand the history behind election fraud. I didn't say there hasn't been election fraud. I said there hasn't been mass election fraud in every election. There wasn't mass election fraud in 2020. I don't have particular loyalty to the Democratic party. I generally prefer their candidates over the Republican ones. The candidates I like most are usually Socialist ones but they are aren't really a topic of discussion around here. Only one side investigated mass election fraud and found there was none. That side was Trump's side. They investigated multiple times and found none. Only one side had people pre-plan how to breech the capitol, and attempt to carry it out with the intent to stop the results of an election their leaders(also only of one side) knew they had lost. Only one side wanted to kill the vice president and thought he deserved it. There have been isolated incidents of voter fraud which weren't enough to change the election. One side had more of those. Only one side, after knowingly lying about the election results had sought to place their people in positions to allow the Steal in future elections. That one side in each of these instances was Trump's side. It wasn't both sides.
The guy who is popping off about election conspiracy theories is the one calling people dumb.... okay bud.
None of us know how many elections have been changed by voter fraud, but it's multiple elections and there is zero doubt about that. Was 2020 one of them, again none of us really know what the exact vote count was in any state, much less the really close midwest ones. As i've said though, the thing that really changed the election of 2020 was Trumps inability to shut his mouth (or really his phone) My political opinion of Trump is that he did a pretty good job with the economy He is an egotistical fool though, a true ******* and jerk. Regardless of whether anyone want to believe it or not, I am one who truly does not trust either side. They both lie to us, and both sides are in politics for themselves, to get rich....and both sides are being extremely successful in doing so...for themselves
Lol I'm as far from a conspiracy theorist as you can find I'm talking about election fraud. It's happened on both sides. It's too bad you won't educate yourself enough to understand that All you Trumpers and Anti-Trumpers won't allow yourselves to use your own brain, you just have to use all of your energy to bash the other side
