Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

Why? Give me a good reason for your line of thinking. Let’s have an honest discussion.

 

You can't have that with a drunk...or maybe you can who knows?

 

I think the 90% does a lot more to prove it than the 10% that doesn't when you consider polling.

As for the definition of life - there's no way you can't say it's not true. A skin cell is living. But is is a person? Is a zygote a person? Show me where in the constitution that zygotes are considered persons and endowed with rights? You've taken what you believe to be a human being and created an ironclad definition - but no such definition exists. It's your belief system.

You claim to know the answer. But scientists who study human embryonic development, and even bioethicists do not. Take this:

https://www.swarthmore.edu/news-events/when-does-personhood-begin

 

Someone needs to tell AOC her party had majority for 2 years and didnt accomplish anything outside of losing R v W

 

That’s literally what she’s complaining about.

 

a thoughtful essay

 

The situation is pretty bleak for reproductive rights. 2016 was when it counted. Too late for that now.

2020, 2022, 2024, and onward are pretty much the same.

If you want to ensure this Court cannot take away any more rights or to codify Roe at the federal level, DEM needs to have majority power in the House (that's 218 Congress Members), a super majority in the Senate (that's 60 Senators) and the Presidency. Anything less than that and the machinery of gov (obstruction as a standard) means this Court can take additional rights away and there won't be any Federal law to codify Roe or other rights.

If you don't want the Rep to ban abortion at the fed level and thus for all states, it's a much easier path. You just need to make sure the Rep does not win a super majority in Congress and the Presidency.

Realistically, nothing is going to change much at the federal level because the chance of the Dem or Rep winning a super majority in this environment is very unlikely (but hey, maybe voters will surprise us). EDIT: this assumes American democracy survives.

The "fight" will continue at the State level. Before this decision, States cannot ban abortion during the 1st trimester or when abortion is necessary to save the life or health of the mother. Now States can criminalize and completely ban abortion with no exceptions or some close extreme version, which will bring (it already has) new lawsuits.

 

Actually no. Your assertion was that opposition to abortion must be based on religion. 11% of atheists oppose abortion, despite being irreligious. Therefor, opposition to abortion can certainly be secular. That atheists are more likely to support abortion rights than oppose them 89/11 doesn't change that. Black people overwhelmingly support Democrats at roughly the same percentage, but that doesn't make opposition to Democrats based on race.

You have changed human life to personhood. I said it was trivial to prove human life begins at conception. It is and I did. The question of personhood is a different question entirely. A zygote is a living human being. A skin cell is living, but it is part of you. It is enough for me to say that clearly a zygote is a living human, and thus abortion is killing a living human. That is why it is not just a woman controlling her own body.

 

You are part of a minority in this country actively attacking the right of American women to have control over their own bodies, something men take for granted, and today, women cannot. You can parse every phrase, every word of every post attacking what you stand for on this issue and it doesn't change that inalienable fact.

 

it doesn’t matter if you codify it federally or not the Supreme Court can strike it down if they feel like it. @Os Trigonum this is the original question I posed to you which you refused to address.

 

It is more the other body I am concerned with.

 

Pathetic. To you, women are second class citizens.
Surely you could find a larger image.

 

DOING SOMETHING™ leaves your cards on the table and accountable for actions. That isn't what politicians want. Politicians want to get voted in and then point at unaccountable unelected bureaucrats and judges as the enemy. The same people the politicians purposefully shifted the power too.

 

...here-here...

 

Some states have already codified Roe. This ruling does not strike those down. Abortion is left to the States, or more precisely, to legislation, which can be either State or Federal (thus Rep can also outlaw Abortion national wide with a fed law). The Women's Health Protection Act, already passed in the House but have zero chance in the Senate - need 60 votes, is one such fed law that can codify Roe.

 

I think if 90% of Atheists say abortion should be legal and the vast majority of devout Christians say it should not, that's a pretty clear evidence that religion is the primary factor.

Yeah I realize that human life is to rooted as a phrase of semantics - we've hashed that out before without getting anywhere. So I think personhood is a better place because that's generally what rights are ascribed to - people.

But if you want to stick with "human life" that still is problematic. We're not so far away where you can turn a skin cell into a zygote through environmental manipulation.

Also the day will come when you can manufacture a zygote from someone's indexed DNA from scratch.

 

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