Women or Menstruating Person…really?

Watch out! If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that upper middle class white women are the only victims of anything bad, ever. And to disagree with them is sexism.

 

It is forced if you are not used to it.... hell I still role my eyes at all of the terms for people when it comes to love and relationships, pan sexual etc.

Also I agree with you that a majority of people find it annoying, but I don't think that will be the case in 5-10 years.

We saw the same issue with PRIDE for example... it has gone from being annoying and forced to a big deal and accepted.

From a political standpoint I think it is still a loser for the democrats for awhile, but eventually at least some of it will be part of the lexicon.

 

Unlike the OP, I believe in personal freedoms. I believe that it is A FREEDOM of an individual to NOT HAVE ME OR YOU define everything about them.

Why in this discussion does everyone have an opinion with authority EXCEPT for LBGTQ people?? So again, since I believe in "FREEDOM" I withhold the right to authoritatively define someone else without them having the ability to define themselves.

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Also.... THIS DEBATE IS STUPID and a distraction that the Republican party is using to juice up the right for the midterms. Just like with the "Caravan" crap, the Republican party is using bigotry, and fear to juice up culture wars so they can distract from their real governing platform which is tax breaks for billionaires, and polluting our environment for short term profit.

 

Of course she doesn't..... my wife doesn't either and most women don't want to be called menstruating person.

However in the context it was used, it wasn't referring to women. The context it was used in was very specific and germane to the topic.

I don't think the governor goes around referring to women as "menstruating persons" on a regular basis.

If the goal is to replace the word "woman" with "menstruating person" situations other than specific ones then they can forget about that.

 

We live in a patriarchy.

Men, even black men could vote before women and had rights before women.

White women, even rich ones are not at the top of the pecking order - men are.

 

Oh I'm aware, but some of them know how to weaponize their status more than other groups, including black men.

 

Yeah I don't know that I agree with that.

Women's rights have always been put on the back burned and they have been expected to put their fight for equality to the side for other groups.... in times of war they are expected to shut up and support the war effort, they are expected to mother their children and husbands... they have put their rights to the side and give up their forum for the fight for the rights of the poor, blacks, gays and now the larger LGBTQ community.

I don't think women are very good at weaponizing their status well at all..... and I think we are going to see a push in the coming decades to get greater equality for women.

Women make up half of the population and have a fraction of the power that males do....

Black women are more exploited than any group other than black transwomen.

Males commit an incredible amount of violence and it is never discussed.

 

Some women do, but some women are quite happy within the patriarchal system and weaponize their status...particularly rich white women against black men. I agree though it's not great. Intersectionality is complicated. I also think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say that women put "their rights to the side and give up their forum" for poor people, LGBT people. Some, vocal ones do. Many don't. Many women also like to hijack spaces that aren't there own, particularly white liberal women.

 

We will just have to agree to disagree.

There will always be some oppressed people that are happy with the current system if they personally are benefitting. In the case of women, I do not find many women that are happy with the patriarchy is they are even aware they are under a patriarchy. Women have just been conditioned to not complain or speak on it so it is taken for granted. I can tell you that amongst themselves women will discuss it.

The reality is that women have in fact, by choice or conditioning or circumstance have put their fights to the side. Black men could vote before women could vote. We had a black male President before a female. Black men could own property before women. We have national holidays for MLK and other civil rights advocates are celebrated, but their is little discussion of suffrage or feminists that paved the way. We tell women that they do not have control of their own bodies. We don't do that to men.

That isn't to say that there isn't discrimination again other groups as there definitely is.... and there are multipliers, for example being a black or poor or transgender woman makes it worse.......... transgender black women for example have a very hard life compared to any other group.... the amount of violence in and out of relationships is horrendous and society largely allows it to happen.

 

Yeah, that's fair. I can agree to that. We're also from different generations; aside from abortion the push for women's rights/ERA in the '70s/80s is completely before my time. Aside from growing up in a wealthy, white area I also grew up with a lot of assertive female relatives and experienced a lot of the "girl power!" pop culture that was big in the 90s/2000s. Some of this may also be from gender envy; I'm certainly not an objective person.

I will say most of the **** I get since coming out (family not withstanding) comes from men. A lot of women change their demeanor towards me completely, in a good way, when I present/act more feminine towards them. It's led to some interesting conversations...(I don't think I've ever talked about underwear in 27 years as a man nearly to the extent I discuss it with women).

 

I still find all these fake PRIDE virtue signaling annoying and forced. That doesn't mean I am in favour of discrimination against gay people or other people who have a different sexuality or gender identity than most people - very much the opposite is true. As far as I am concerned, people can be happy any way they want, as long as they don't force their beliefs on others (and that includes heterosexual people).

I just think most of the PRIDE virtue signaling is just a self-serving lie. Whether you do all the virtue signaling or not says very little about what you really think.

 

I agree with you that there is a lot of virtue signaling and I think there is an element of people jumping on and thinking it is the cool thing to do.

I see PRIDE for example tied into Target stores and various product brands........ but that is kind of the point, the proponents of the gay rights movement have shifted the issue from one that was seldom discussed or scorned in the public forum to one where it is popular and long term it will result in larger acceptance of gay rights.

Having said that, yes I know the people you are talking about.... I know people that just want to be viewed and cool and virtuous and claim they are huge supporters of various causes that are popular and right now the LGBTQ+ movement is popular among people under 35 and a lot of people want to latch on to it.

 

I'd say in much of corporate America, white women are higher on the pecking order than minority men. But minority women are definitely at the bottom.

 

I get it's annoying, but how is seeing a rainbow sign at Target "forcing their beliefs on heterosexual people"?

I don't **** on heterosexual couples and tell them 'well I disagree with your life and don't want my kids to see a man married to a woman". Do you really not understand why saying something like "your lifestyle is wrong" to someone for something they can't change is offensive?

 

It is a complicated issue and some of the data we have is contradictory and it also seems to vary by degree and also location.

In general white women and black men make the same amount per hour with white men and Asian men making a lot more in competitive industries.

Based on that it appears that in the work place it appears to be close to an equal disadvantage to being a white woman and a black man.

Even though the overwhelming majority of decision makers are white males - they pay Asian men more than even other white men.


There is also some research that shows that entry level jobs in competitive fields are more likely to be given to white or Asian women than black men. However there are some other studies that say it is close to even.

There is no doubt that black women are the most discriminated against though....

"It’s clear that the factors preventing women of color from advancing at work are quite different from those holding white women and even men of color back.

These include microaggressions, double standards, and unconscious bias to name a few. A 2006 survey of employees from five large U.S. companies found that women of color are most likely to experience workplace harassment among all groups. "

Only 4% of professional jobs that require graduate level degrees are filled by black women.

 

I don't say that, and I don't think people should say that. I do understand that it is offensive. But I don't think that the virtue signaling changes anything about that. As I said, people should be happy any way they choose to be, as long as what they are doing does not harm others.

 

Then what did it mean to say "shouldnt impose their sexuality on heterosexuals"?

I feel like you talk out of both sides of your mouth in the D&D. You like making the quick jabs with your buddies and make nods towards anti "woke" stuff...then back track and pretend you didnt say what you just said.

 

This is the same guy that created a thread celebrating the death of Ginsberg just to stick it to the Dems.

Who is gonna call her that anyway?

It was something to be put on a restroom and for some reason, you and your wife have personalized it?

Its amazing you all find different **** to be upset about.

 

I wonder if that's skewed by Asian men concentrated in certain job roles / industries.