Corey Tulaba of No Ceilings NBA joins the show to talk Rockets draft!

nice video but just to bring a technical issue to your attention -- the guest's (corey tulaba) sound level is much higher than yours and i constantly have to adjust volume according to who's speaking

 

Another great podcast. I was especially excited by what he said about Paolo and Griffin. Would have loved to hear his take on some other prospects, but great job having him on. Excited for this coming week!

 

@ApacheWarrior
I have had Ivey ahead of Paolo only because of his greater defensive potential, maturity and his potential to play as a point guard/ scorer.


I think Ivey can play even in the half court as a passer to some extent.

I saw a video of him on Twitter today saying he wants to be a top 50 passer, a great player, ROY and a future NBA champion.

These are great goals, but I'm getting the impression that he wants to score more than pass. We need a lead guard, not a score first player . Ivey can become a very good pro, but we may not need him after all.

I'm starting to lean to towards Paolo at 3, if Corey Tulaba is right. I don't think Jabari or Chet will fall to the Rockets. Chet is the best potential prospect, if he gets stronger. No to Keegan Murray etc. Murray is a tweener and Mathurin is only 6'4. Sharpe is a raw SG.

 

Well done! Appreciate the content and the questions. Checked out their site and mock. It will be interesting to see how picks 15-30 play out. Based on my intel, I think some of picks in their 2nd will be in play much earlier. Believe this draft is much deeper than it has been portrayed and that a pick like 26 could be great. But the draft is a stock pickers game and finding those gems is a blend of art/science.

Keep up the great work!

 

Much respect for you saleem.

But I'm still with Ivey as the 2nd best player in this draft, possibly #1 over
Jabari only because Jabari is more of an ancillary piece. But oh what an ancillary
player.

The quick first step acceleration/deceleration sets Ivey apart from others
as Ja Morant and Harden do. It's elite and if Green/Porter continue to
shoot the 3 as they did at the end of the season......the sky is the limit.

There will be so much spacing provided by: Green-Porter-Eason that
Ivey will be a holy terror slicing and dicing up teams. Hopefully Sengun
is working on his 3-pt shot as well.

The only clogging up the driving lanes would be Sengun as defenders
would need to stay by their assignments. Adding Banchero takes us
back to the days of Sengun-Tate-Theis (sun out Theis for Banchero)....and it
sucked as 3 defenders packed the paint and allowed no driving lanes for
Green-Porter-Josh Christopher.

People are only seeing how Porter-Green open up things for Banchero as they
are spot up shooter s for him......but reverse it and Banchero does not open
up spacing for Green-Porter-JC because Banchero is only 26% from above the
Break 3.....in college (distance). Banchero took 9 shots from the left corner and
12 shots from the left corner and people want to crown him king of the world....
really?!? Ivey shot about 41% from 3 minus Feb and he sucks?!? Those
Ivey stats are greater sample size put up than the puny Banchero corner
3 all season.

Sorry, I don't know what people see in Banchero....defensively he sucks.
I was watching an EJ Liddell highlight video and saw Banchero trying to keep
EJ in front of him......Liddell had Banchero on skates, not knowing whether to
piss, pooh or go blind. NBA players are going to blow by him as they are greater
caliber than EJ Liddell. Four more days. If it's Banchero I will support him and
I won't criticize him for his first two seasons. But I'm sure people will see me
type Ivey is killing it with Team X, Y, or Z and I wanted him for the Rockets.

Passing would not be an issue because the spacing would have been as grand
as the Grand Canyon next to Green-Porter-Eason-Sengun. Sengun would have
so much spacing out of the post.

Ivey puts so much pressure on a defense in the half court and in transition.
To me it's an easy decision. Ivey would be my pick.

 

There is a lot of validity in what you said. I do think Banchero 's 3 point shooting will improve. Defense is a problem for him.


Ivey needs to know when to pass and when to score/ shoot. He doesn't have to carry the load with Jalen Green.

Green is a superior scorer and he is bound to get better with hard work.

KPJ can catch/shoot, hit the stepback 3 and a mid range shot.

His finishing at the basket isn't as good as Ivey's but he's the better defender.

Ivey can catch up on defense with his quickness and 6'10 wingspan though.

Ivey can become a leader if he passes the ball more often and efficiently on a consistent basis. He needs to improve his 3 point range, which he is clearly capable of doing. I don't think he is Russ 2.0 at all. I do admit Ivey is unselfish , there are times when he should dunk or make a lay up , but he chooses to pass because he believes his teammates have a better opportunity to score.

He needs a really good coach who can maximize his skill set. The quicker he realizes what he needs to succeed, the better it will be for him , no matter where he is drafted.

Comments are welcome from everyone, not only my friend ApacheWarrior.

 

Deep in good role players, short on star potential. The 17th and the 26th picks are important.

 

man this is so true. I don’t mind taking shots on guys who have a chance to be 15 yr players; who cares if they don’t become allstars. Those players are still super valuable and tradeable.

I agree we’ll have a problem developing 3 more rookies, but if worst case scenario is we draft 3 talented players, I think that’s a good thing overall. The more rookies we add the faster we’ll need to make decisions on KJ and Tate though; especially if we don’t trade EG.

 

Agree. Role players are underrated, adding guys who have specific skills and winning attitudes are important to building championship teams.

No one will ever see Mario Elle as a superstar, but he was critical to us winning a championship. PJ Tucker was that guy for MIL last year and was important to MIA's run this year.

I'm not opposed to keeping both picks and drafting guys to help grow our foundation. Would love length and defense, but adding talent is key at this stage of our rebuild. If they don't fit long-term, they can maybe be a factor in a later trade.

 

Some of what you are saying confuses me. Here is a tale of the tape,
and yes Banchero fans hate me doing this, as indicated by the, "Why are you
comparing a 6'10" guy with a 6'4" guy?". Because many here on CF's are
telling me that we are going to play him at wing.....and I'm showing
Ivey gives us much of the stats a wing give us as well.

Stat.....Ivey..........Banchero...
USG%...28.7..............27.5...both have same usage....both have to adapt off ball equally
Ast%....19.2...............17.5...Ivey needs to learn when to pass? *Banchero does not?
TRB%....9.3................13.2..difference is around 4....Ivey is 6'4"vs 6'10" shld be greater
ORB%....2.7.................6.4
DRB%....15.0.............19.1...(for a 6'4" guard Ivey boxes like a wing)
Blk% .....2.0................2.7....(Ivey was 3.8 in 20/21)
EFG%... .533............ .520... Ivey takes bad shots?.....has a higher eFG%
TS%..... .579............ .557....Ivey takes bad shots?...has a better TS%

per-40 minutes
Ast........3.9..............3.9...
Blk........ 0.7..............1.1...
TRB.......6.2...............9.5...Ivey rebounds as good as most wings
3PA........6.3..............4.0
Pts........22.0.............20.9
Stl..........1.2...............1.3
FGA.......15.6............16.0.....who is more selfish? If it's a problem for Ivey then it's a problem
for Banchero as well.

I'm still with the philosophy of the past few years: it's a guard driven league, get
the most skilled, electric, dynamic guard (if he can shoot 3's)....and the big man
rim protecting-shot blocking-rebounder later in the first round.

Ivey 3-pt range? Here is a highlight video. Watch how far out he shoots the 3.
His shot chart shows he likes that Above the Break 3 left side. Money.


And yes I do see some Westbrook in his push in transition.

 

I'm not a Banchero fan. I'm skeptical when it comes to his defense. I have some concerns about how Ivey will adjust with Green and if KPJ can fit in as a SF. If Ivey is flexible in his approach, he can be a good fit in Houston.

 

Ivey will be a good, not great player.

Best case for Ivey is Devin Booker

Worst case is LaVert

 

Fact of the matter is, all these rookies have flaws. Expecting one to
improve his flaws while others won't is done by many here.

Any player Houston drafts at #3 will have to adapt to
1) Jalen Green when he has the ball
2) Porter when Porter has the ball
3) Sengun when Sengun is in the post or on top of the key

With Banchero you put him in the corners....but with his speed it's best
he is on t of the key. So he can get back on defense faster.

People here are projecting Banchero when he has the ball and how well
Green-Porter can shoot 3's.....as if we are building around Banchero.
No, it should be how well we build around Green!!

If Banchero still shoots 33% from 3 and Sengun doesn't shoot well from....
then guess what....dudes are clogging the paint just like the beginning
of last season and everyone looks bad. 17 win projection again for
season.

GM's don't want to admit they made a mistake.....they see potential
in Sengun and they see potential in Banchero....they will try
to make a Sengun-Banchero pairing work for 3 more years of Sengun's
contract. That's the 76ers sucky rebuild of 7 years.

Good possibility we will be bad for years.

Here is Westbrook at his best in transition. What we will be missing
if we don't draft Ivey.....and what another team will be getting.
Often takes 3 players to get back fast.

 

I think Ivey will be closer to Ja Morant.

 

There is merit in what you're saying. It's good to have these open discussions here. We are blessed to be members on Clutchfans.

 

From what I've seen, which is very little, I don't think he's got that kind of court vision.

 

I think Morant will remain a better passer. Ivey might come close to him as a scorer.