hayes is probably not an nba player after his contract expires. I still have my doubts about KPJ, but I'm willing to give him one more year. if he drives home at half time again I think we can move on, but I also see some untapped potential. he showed he can defend and shoot last year. I want to see if he can be more consistent in both areas. he got better at protecting the ball as the season went on. I want to see what he can do in his second year as a PG. lastly, I want to see what his asking price on an extension will be. i'm not a believer yet, but I'm also not willing to give up on him yet.
Brilliant comment Kpj is too talented to just give away. Need to surround him with positive role models and let the kid play.
Agreed, although I dont think KPJ is a PG. He would be great running the point as a 6th man playing 25 mins per game. The one thing KPJ really needs to improve upon is his free throw shooting. A guy as talented as KPJ should never be shooting a putrid 71%.
And what is KPJ exactly? A starting point guard? We took him for a second round pick and it’s unlikely he nets anything more in a trade. So are you going to war with KPJ as your starting point guard? Im just curious how much Detroit basketball did you watch the last two years? Hayes played much of the year on a completely busted hand and suffered a significant injury his rookie season. He checked out of numerous games in agony because of the hand. KPJ can put up stats fine but it’s not like Killian hasn’t shown flashes. He was the first Piston’s player since Grant Hill to score 25/5/5/5 in a game. Only difference is he can actually make a read correctly for his team. Sometimes I think KPJ is absolutely hopeless in this regard. Not to mention Hayes is as a bust, already miles ahead of KPJ defensively. His defense was a big asset for Detroit and people don’t talk about that because when it comes to the Pistons everyone seems to be clueless. It is amazing to me how many people just casually write off 20 year olds as busts. Let me see, do I want to pair green with a guy who doesn’t want to pass or play defense or a guy who excels in those areas?
I just can’t see him as a starting point guard. He misses so many simple reads. It is absolutely maddening. Either the guy who drove away from Toyota Center during a game starts over your #2 pick or he comes off the bench and I have trouble seeing him ever accepting that role. I think forcing him to play PG hurts him and hurts Green. No one wants to see iso ball anymore and we will win nothing that way. No matter how talented he is, we are getting 0 for him on the market so you better be sure he’s the fit next to Green before offering him a contract and making him the floor general of your franchise. It’s all a moot point because there is no way Detroit trades Hayes for KPJ. Rockets fans are the only fans that think he has any value at all
Hayes is an even worse PG then KPJ, you don't watch many pistons games if you truly believe hayes Is the answer because he is defensive minded and was a top 5 pick(Detroit reach hard for him) cade came in and made Hayes expendable pistons fans would enjoy kpj more then what Hayes bring to the team.
I never said he’s the answer. However, I’m certain KPJ is not the answer as a point guard next to Green. I don’t want to sign him to a long term deal and Hayes is more value than I’d expect in a trade. No one wants KPJ
Meh. Folks say stupid things all the time and get rightfully clown on. I knew a certain poster who said I'm certainly hoping one day Green will be as good or better than Corey Brewer, but it's possible it won't happen. It happens.
You're the only one to value Hayes... He is only good at one thing and in a play off setting teams will dare him to shoot.
I think he should play at the 3. I don't think he should be our point. I could be persuaded to trade him, but not for this Killian dude. Isn't Killian some kind of beer?
Probably just some sort of weird cognitive bias getting in the way. There's nothing based in reality for that kind of weird opinion. He's a highly talented combo guard more than capable of running the point or playing off ball depending on what the situation calls for... pretty much the perfect modern PG.
It’s a lot easier to learn to shoot than to teach a player how to pass. KPJ has very bad basketball IQ. I don’t know how that isn’t apparent to everyone here. I’m not paying that guy to be the floor general of my franchise. Hayes shot 40% from 3 in a professional league but last year he played with a BUSTED HAND. The mechanics are fine. It’s the attack mentality he is lacking and relies way too much on the floater.
I get that you are too simple to understand what was being said in that comment, but it doesn't make it wrong. I've taken you to school on this one too many times already to think you are capable of reading comprehension.... but those with a fully functional brain realize that conversations about scenarios where a player doesn't develop aren't relevant after the player shows signs of development.
You could very well be right. I just don’t see it. The kind of dumb mistakes he made ad nauseam last year made my blood boil. Like very simple plays. I’m supposed to forget about that because he finally played decent in silly season against B teams? I just don’t trust him as the captain of any team. His bball iq leaves a lot to be desired regardless of how much talent he has. Paring Green with a true floor general makes sense to me. I’m not saying he’s not talented, I actually agree he’s more talented than Ivey. I just don’t see him accepting a bench role and he’s not a point guard imo.
With Green and hopefully Banchero taking ball handling duties KPJ should thrive in a role of catch and shoot, play defense and take it to the basket. He doesn’t need to setup the offense or run the pnr but he has the skills to do so when he needs to. A competent coach should be able to make a strong offense with all the skills of KPJ, Green, Banchero and Sengun.
