Bernie to Dems: Change course before you nosedive in November

I really can't believe some "democrats" are now trying to claim the democratic party has ignored and done nothing over the Bidens tenure.

I mean really WTF?

 

So it seems

Rocket River

 

I can identify with that kind of voter. I think many republicans are batshit crazy and are going back in time little by little, with their lame ass agendas against particular groups. At the same time, democrats are not really lighting a fire for me. I don't blame them for inflation, however, I did wish Biden had the balls to call out Sinema/Manchin for their bullshit just like Trump called out individuals within his own party from time to time, even if the attacks did seem childish.

Our country has many pressing issues right now to resolve: immigration, gun violence, financial security, healthcare, etc (I know, nothing new really) and things just seem to be getting worse as we move forward. I don't think there is a simple solution considering that bipartisan support is pretty much non-existential in major ticket items (kudos to the party on infrastructure bill for the very least), but I find it troubling that the American public delivered the democrats the executive and congress, and due to two obstructionist, we can't move the needle on anything. It's insanity to me how the republicans have such heavy propaganda out there and it seems to work really well.

EDIT: I have defended Manchin/Sinema in the past, at least they gave the party a majority to pass the $1.9T bill, but at the same time, I don't feel Biden has put enough pressure on those two to get them inline with the party with rest of the agenda.

 

it's the year 2050 and Democrat moderates are still blaming their failures on "defund the police".

 

Probably better than the progressive left blaming their failures on everything except actually being able to convince anyone to vote for them.

 

If anything, it’s that any reform must come hand in hand with preserved security and access to necessities. Full stop. You cannot say F the Police and offer no solutions to rampant crime or say we should spend a ton more when inflation is causing everyone to not be able to afford their lifestyles.

 

Simple question are blacks going to be better off by Republicans gaining back power?

Aren't you one of the guys who claimed Democracy was in danger if Republicans won in 20/20?

So know none of that matters?

So unemployment being 3% does not benefit blacks?

 

I didn't say anything like this.

 

You think people just forgot about that whole movement from 2020? Crime spiked and Democrats are paying for it because of that nonsensical campaign - even if the two things are not actually linked. Yeah, they aren't talking about Defund *now* - a little too late. Dems are now effectively associated with it with an easy target on their backs. The DA campaign in San Fran and the mayor's race in LA's are prime examples of it - progressives are struggling to even win over the most liberal voters at this point, let alone anyone else.

When progressives talk about the "Democratic base", they really just mean the "white liberal Democratic base". They forget that a huge chunk of the Democratic Party - especially Black and Latino voters - are not all that progressive. They are Democrats, but don't necessarily care for many of the policies pushed by the left. So when you talk about "exciting the base", you're showing your biases of who you think the Dems should be ignoring.

 

You mean just like I never said anything originally about Bernie representing the people's interest?

Like you think that's my issue with Bernie?

And Bernie does not represent all of the people's interests.

 

I'm going to recap this, and then I won't open this thread again

OP posted a link about Bernie giving his opinion that the party needs to focus its messaging on getting 2 more seats since Manchin/Sinema won't vote with the party on bills the American people overwhelmingly support (*Biden's* bills/agenda, not Bernies, read this twice). The point more or less is party messaging should focus more on what the party can accomplish with their votes to best represent their interest (that's what I got from it at least)

Your response is

I posted the meme since you seem to be taking the stance of being hyperactively in opposition, which doesn't make sense to me considering the contents of the article and Bernies opinion, and here we are.

Have a good fellas

 

The progressive left isn't the money making machine that the establishment moderates are in terms of fundraising, media representation, "think" tanks etc.

The power of corporations will always trump the will of progressives.

 

Intraparty drama is fun but trying to course correct the Democrats (or Republicans for that matter) is a fool's errand.

 

How did you get hyperactively in opposition?

I just don't think bringing up that stuff does anybody any good leading up to the mid-terms especially considering all the other **** going on.

Do you think the populace is worried about Medicaid currently?

 

Is the public worried about healthcare expenses during a time of high inflation?

 

Nope.

Not getting started with you.

 

I know they’ve contributed to inflation with those massive infrastructure bills and etc.. Sure, they inherited the problem that wasn’t quite clear to the average person. Surely they knew it was coming, as did several people with a brain, after the tariffs and Covid situation suppressed supply, dissolved a work force, and the list goes on and on. In all reality, you can’t really grade what a president and the legislation passed during their term until years after because the effects aren’t immediate. Hence the inheriting of tariffs and Covid.

Instead they pushed through a huge bill (a couple actually) to just pile it on. While infrastructure is certainly a massive issue in our country, the bill is filled with all kinds of agenda spending by both parties.

Meanwhile Biden is out there making some pretty stupid statements about foreign policy and telling everyone to just buy an electric car to avoid paying $5+ at the pump. What average middle class American can afford an electric car as their daily driver? How many generators are sitting in the background running on diesel to create the power to charge an EV? It’s a lot.

As far as the two democratic senators that you referenced who are stopping things, that just points to the lack of leadership within the party. Whether it’s the left or right as President and occupying one of the senate or house, they usually get most things through.

This cabinet can’t even address basic problems that Americans want addressed. The blame Trump line is in the past. I agree with what Matthew McConaughey said a few days ago:

“Let’s admit it - We can’t truly be leaders if we’re only living for reelection.”

 

Then just don't reply.

I honestly think for you it is impossible for proggrsives to express their view point without you being enraged as if you think they shouldn't even be able to express their policy positions. A mere mention of positions, you come in screaming about how proggrsives want "zero compromise".

I feel like even posters who agree with you think you are a *******.