Lets not compare them to prospects then. Let’s just compare them as brothers. Why is Seth the more efficient scorer of the two? Why is his TS% higher?
Well it should be fun to see how these players pan out and the excuse-a-thons that follow from each camp. I remember people telling me that drafting Jalen Green was going to be a mistake. Worked out great for me as a fan. Points produced for a team is still points produced right? Or is there something that Im missing?
That Paolo had more shots and more efficient shots at the corners proves 2 things to me: 1. Paolo had better set up players around him in Keels and Moore. Both Keels and Moore averaged nearly same assists as Paolo did. 2. Jabari was forced to create 3's for himself with much less space than Paolo did due to lack of gravity and playmaking on his team. This was evidenced by the location of most of Jabari's 3PA because top of key has more room than the tighter albeit shorter corners.
Obviously due to volume + difficulty of shot, Steph is the starter while Seth is a rotation guy. I know you're trying to lead me to your conclusion but shetting on TS% with players that play completely different roles, different skillsets, with different gravity, PER or USG% is inane.
Are you trying to say that Paolo took more efficient shots because he was set up by his teammates and that Jabari had to create more of his own offense resulting in less efficient shots? We’ve truly come full circle.
Paolo won't be used better in the NBA just like how Jayson Tatum will never average in the NBA better than his 17/7 at Duke under the great coach K who maximized his abilities to the absolute.
But it’s fair to bring up TS% as the standard for efficiency when comparing two prospects with completely different roles and skill sets?
Are you denying that Jabari 3balls were NOT highly contested? You do realize that Jabari had one of the highest degree of difficulty contested shots in NCAA right? That's how experts came to conclusion that his jumper was unblockable and that he required just a sliver of air space to get it off. And if you do not believe that Paolo had better playmakers and more talented teammates around him then you really need to watch full games. Paolo has all 4 of his starting teammates projected to be drafted in 2022, likely all in 1st round. And of Duke's starting 5, there are THREE projected to be lottery picks. Walker Kessler is the only teammate of Jabari's that will be drafted and he may not even be a first rounder. If Kessler drafted in first, it will be at the bottom of this round. And fyi - Chet will have ZERO teammates drafted in first round or any round of 2022. If Timme stayed in draft he was projected to be 2nd rounder. With outside chance of being undrafted. Talent matters.
So now you're equating every NBA franchise to be exactly the same vs 1 year at Duke? Celts = Rockets You're just being a dumbass now.
I won’t argue with any of that because it’s the truth. To say Jabari created more of his own offense though is not exactly the truth. The point I’m trying to make is that when considering efficiency, volume matters. Creating your own shot matters. The role you play matters. It is incredibly silly that there is actually an argument to be made that Paolo was a more efficient 3 point shooter. I’m just basing that off of excuses I’ve heard with regard to scoring more on more volume. I’m also interested to see Paolo with the ball in his hands more without K having a duty to feature all of his talented prospects. Just because Timme or Kessler don’t project as great pros doesn’t mean their games weren’t perfectly suited to star at the college level but you already are well aware why this is the case. As good as Jabari is at taking difficult 3 point shots, I’m not sure closely contested shots are really efficient shots. Maybe he translates into the best shooter ever or maybe NBA length bothers him. I would think a guy who can solidly finish at the rim would be more efficient than taking highly contested jumpers. Judging by who the best ts% players in the entire leagu are, this hands down seems to be the case.
They should, if allowed. Zags primary option was an upper class man in Timme, same as last season when they had a top 5 talent in Jalen Suggs. This is not new or surprising at all if you followed Gonzaga. Their program rewards players who stay in school. And stop acting like this new information. You've already tried beating this drum in multiple threads.
Never said Jabari created more of his own offense. Just saying Jabari scored his points in more difficult conditions.
If they are all starters at 4 spot? And if all 3 are so close in talent that all 3 are considered potential #1 picks overall in same class? Yes. But not in a vacuum. ALL stats, including counting stats and advanced stats, should be used to compare and contrast. The danger is when you focus on ONE stat to be the be-all and the end-all.
Just because they played the same position in college doesn't mean they are remotely similar as players. We very well know that they are very different players. There are quite a few stats that point to Banchero being significantly better. Its not just one stat and sometimes simplicity says the most. This all started because of a refusal to accept point blank that Banchero simply shot a better FG% on more volume. 3 pointers are already factored into a point total and Banchero scored the same amount of points on a higher FG%. That is very simple and undeniable. As a result we spent two days going over true shooting % as the one stat that is the be-all-end-all. It is obvious who benefits from this stat as its one person's weakness and the other person's literal only strength. For their eFG% to be basically the same after that stat doesn't really encourage me to change my mind about Jabari. Everyone wanted to talk about eFG% until it gets real and then I'm the guy focusing on the one stat. This is also highly debatable. Were the shots more difficult for Jabari because he didn't have any other ways to score? Just because Paolo can create his own shot in a myriad of ways more effectively does not mean that it is easy. The difficulty needed to score the ways he did all year consistently requires a skill set that Jabari simply doesn't have. If that makes it look like Paolo is scoring more easily, then maybe he's actually good at those things. If Jabari could get to the basket or reliably beat his man instead of shooting through them, perhaps he would take less difficult and more efficient shots. But somehow Paolo is at fault for having the ability to create efficient offense for himself and not simply shooting through people. There is something to be said for putting yourself in position to take easier shots. That is why Chet is so great as a roll man. I understand the upside in converting difficult shots but it is alarming that he took so many highly contested shots and I personally wouldn't advocate for that if we are talking about efficient basketball. At any rate perhaps the conditions weren't any less difficult between the prospects its just the difficulty of skill level is very different between the two. It isn't exactly easy to develop the skills needed to consistently get yourself open. So who's to say what difficulty really is? Its not like Paolo scoring 80% on Miami and Jabari scoring 18% had anything to do with an increased difficulty in the defence they were facing. Its the same defense. Why is it then that Paolo created more efficient shots?
How many teams rebuild in three years? I would assume the list is small because It takes time unless you get a Superstar(luka) type player, They were three years removed from playoffs and were in the rebuilding phase until getting luka in 2018 and making the playoffs the following year.
Draft rebuild needs to happen by 2023 draft because Rockets do not own their FRP from 2024-2026. Those picks go to OKC per Westbrook trade. Could continue rebuild thru trade or FA.
Is Sengun the best offensive player in the class? Does he project to be that? There are infinite ways to look at stats. I'm just trying to understand what the criteria is here. Not to be contentious but earlier in this thread you were advocating for Chet over Paolo because he took easier shots. I would agree there, I'm just not sure why you'd use the exact opposite of that argument to support Jabari.
