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Building around Paolo and liking it.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Francis3422, May 21, 2022.

  1. Verbal Christ

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    This isn't KPJr's actual account, is it?
     
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    A post from a French fan Twitter causes you to question KPJ's "basketball IQ"?

    That post from you makes me question other things
     
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    Just realized that.
     
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  5. Haymitch

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    This is an interesting way to phrase it. I could similarly say that Westbrook has the most experience at driving to the basket in the NBA. I'm not sure how significant that is.
     
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    Yea it's a weird way to deflect the concerns about Paolo's defense. It's like if this was 2017 and someone said "Look, I understand the concerns about Harden's defense but his scoring...look at his elite scoring!"
     
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  7. Verbal Christ

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    You could even phrase it as Chet Holmgren is the most efficient iso player in the draft. Author is apparently giving credit for volume and experience in those situations and in my eyes applying it to what is going on in the playoffs maybe? The gap is interesting though for sure in both axis.
     
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    But the overblown concerns have been addressed ad nauseum by now. For the record Harden became a serviceable defender in his prime when he was fully engaged, and on the contrary I could say that focusing on Hardens "bad" defense somehow tries to deflect from his otherworldly offense as one of the best scorers in the history of the game. Expecting HOF level engagement and play on both sides of the court from guys out of college really isnt reasonable or fair to these kids is it? Chet isnt some great scorer even though his low volume metrics would lead you in that direction. Why is it a given that his efficiency would just stay the same with more volume in the NBA for example?
     
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    In a 3 player draft, one player was always going to fall and his percieved "flaws" were always going to get inflated vs the others. There's a timeline where Paolo is the overwhelming favorite to go #1 and we'd be getting multiple tweets talking about how Jabari and his 43% FG percentage (!!!) and inability to put the ball on the floor will have trouble in the more physical NBA.

    Paolo has two things going for him. Mental makeup and self awareness. He knows about his defense. Chet is the other prospect who I think understands his perceived slights. Jabari has not shown that at all. I think he thinks it's ok to be a one dimensional jump shooter because he does it so well.

    Time will tell. Draft can't come soon enough.
     
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    I get things wrong too, everyone does.

    Diff is I don't double down when I am.

    The mid range is a dinosaur and it's efficiency has been argued and shot down ad infinitum on CF since Morey came on board over a decade ago.

    And it always rears its ugly head at least several times during regular season, every season. I really thought you were well aware of it but still pushing it anyway since you are a CF regular.

    If you really were ignorant on this subject then I was too hasty calling you out and I apologize.

     
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    I never said what they said about Harden was entirely correct; I was merely pointing out the narrative that a lot of people in the media was using. I'm not badmouthing your boy Paolo so ease up a bit.
     
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    Crain not saying anything new here, everyone already knows that Paolo is best iso scorer in draft.

    But it was an awkward way to introduce this info by admitting Paolo's defensive shortcomings first.

    Very disjointed, almost felt like he was trying to play shell game on us. Execution was very poor.

     
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    Nice shot!

     
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    I understand the math and the premise of 3's and dunks, but also view inside the arc outside the 6 foot marker as being under utilized and situationally it can be used as a weapon in my outdated view of the game at least. Call it ignorant if you want.

    In this instance my half baked interpretation of the game flow was afflicted by my own personal feelings about the value of the midrange game and biases being subconscious I was wrong at how I viewed the numbers and jumped to conclusions. It happens. I became more knowledgeable yesterday and Im happy for it,
     
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    Im relaxed dude! LOL geez. You can hold an opinion contrary to mine and it doesnt need to be a bloodsport match. Is it a narrative that Paolo Banchero found himself in ISO situations more than any other draft prospect? Or that it might just translate to playoff basketball down the line? Its just a new wrinkle to the circular argument phase we've reached this draft cycle.
     
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    Abs poking through the tee :eek:

    Our boy is READY
     
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    The arguments have stalled and trying to bring new light to the discussion is where I think he was going, but needing to preface his thought was interesting I guess.

    Do you REALLY think that Chet will maintain the same HYPER efficiency with higher usage and volume in the NBA? The gaps in both directions are eye raising on the graph for me. Experience/high volume/lower efficiency VS lower volume/AWESOME efficiency. Which is a more realistic trend to continue at the next level? My hope is that Chet can become a #1 higher volume guy that can carry your team when needed if he's being drafted top 3.
     
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    Is that chart suppose to be pro-Paolo? For all the insults on Jabari's handle, that 1st chart shows Jabari as more likely to make a shot in isolation than Paolo on a per possession basis, and that Paolo is more likely to settle for an inefficient hero ball shot than work to get a good shot attempts in a team setting.

    I will say that it is quite amazing that Paolo is as efficient as he is in isolation taking that many shots. Good NBA teams are not going to lose often to a team that let's a player go out there and get buckets in isolation that often with that low of an efficiency. Either Paolo has to get better at converting isolation while he plays against better defenders or he's got to change how he plays.

    Edit: This isn't to say Jabari has a good handle. It is to say Jabari doesn't overdo isolation such that his weakness isn't exposed.
     
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    Dont shoot mid ranges...

    "its time to unleash the midrange"

    Mid range is bad again...
     
  20. Verbal Christ

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    Jabari's ability to hit contested shots is unreal. His length allows him to get to spots usually on the right block that are almost indefensible. Jabari can take a dribble or two to set up his rhythm. His biggest knock is getting to the cup and making those shots near the rim where he's pretty bad. Jabari checks off most of the boxes for the "modern" game other than his finishing ability near the rim.

    This chart I think was only trying to emphasize the sheer volume that Banchero found himself in isolation situations - be that good or bad is dependent on the reader I suppose. In my opinion repetition leads to mastery and playoff basketball is pretty full of isolation sequences and "hunting" bad defenders and matchups if that is hero ball then so be it. You need guys who can make shots in critical moments - Paolo had several of those during the tourney. His role with Duke will not be the same with his NBA team and he should be better with a legitimate scoring threat next to him.
     
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