Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

I think we're better for it. Right now, the fight about Jan 6 is "they're traitors!" vs. "they are being held too long in jail on trumped up charges for exercising their civil liberties." Shooting them on the spot turns the right-wing complaint from over-zealous prosecution to a complaint about serious abuse of power. They'd say Pelosi ordered people to be shot. They'd cite it as evidence of a Democratic palace coup violently putting down resistance. Every death would be a nexus for martyrdom. It'd be the Alamo of right-wing conspiracists. It'd be the Kent State of the alt-right. I'm certain there would be more violence that would follow as a result as people convinced themselves Jan 6 was proof positive of tyranny.

And it would be politically confusing because it'd cut crosswise the usual political lanes, with people who usually back the blue wanting this time to call it police brutality, and people who usually clamor for police accountability trying to find some nuanced position where the accounting absolves the police of overstepping. In the mess of it all, you might have particular cases come up where it can be demonstrated that an officer was justified in using lethal force and that will strengthen the argument that this was a violent and illegal insurrection. But it leaves plenty of room for second-guessing and resentments over how officers even got themselves in this situation like we have seen with the many police shootings of minorities the last few years. There might even end up some cases where officers really do overstep in the heat of battle, and where will that go politically? And then the arguments both ways about 'you'll march for this police injustice but not that police injustice.'

That's messy as ****. Perhaps fewer LEO would be injured or dead afterward had they used lethal force, but the political discourse would be worse imo. But, if we're just wishing for how things could have gone, I wish the government had taken the risk more seriously ahead of time and had dedicated enough law enforcement resources to make sure a breach never happened. This is like Kent State in that police were undermanned for handling the situation. At Kent State, they solved for that with violence. Here, they retreated to avoid perpetrating state violence. I guessed we learned something.

 

It's a good question on both sides that could go either way. I tend to lean on @JuanValdez 's side here of thinking that it would have led to mass martyrdom and made the conspiracy angle more potable.

But at the same time if there's no "no way man... look what happened to them" moment for the right, we are certainly setting ourselves up for the next round which will be more intense, better organized, and harder to police/prosecute with no accountability setting the precedent the first time.

I suspect that Coup Protection from a legal perspective will have to be written into law strongly by Congress in a way that any DOJ cannot avoid. Which I think is where we'll fail because I don't believe Joe Manchin, and Kirstin Sinema have the best interest of the Country in front of their own interest and will not carve out the filibuster to save Democracy because lets be honest.... they are benefiting from the right wing of American big money as trojan horses way more than they are benefiting from being honest believers of Democracy.

It's up to Merrick Garland first and foremost to set the precedent and so far I think he's failing dramatically to meet the moment. I think when we look back 20 years later, we can point to Garland, Sinema, and Manchin as the principle reason why our institutions didn't learn from January 6th and our election system failed over time.

 

I'm glad there wasn't a bloodbath.

Most of them weren't violent insurrectionists or looking for murder. Frankly they acted like the rioters in Portland. I guess the difference is they felt they could do it in broad daylight.

I do think there were many among them wanting to do the **** the media reported (kidnapping, open insurrection, premeditated violence), but if that numbered in the mid hundreds, it would've been impossible to contain without calling for a military or SWAT response.

We're lucky in the sense it was more an embarrassment than a bloodbath or successful intimidation of Congress. The latter would've started a chilling precedent for future coup attempts.

 

The biggest difference between them and rioting thugs is that the President gave them the orders to storm the Capitol. He initiated the insurrection. I doubt the cops beaten down thought of it as an embarrassment. That's quite an understatement to say the least. Who knows how violent it would have gotten if the Vice President, Senators, and Congressmen hadn't escaped.

 

not the right skin tone

 

We need the leadership held accountable too.

DD

 

What a bunch of ****ing losers. Fat poor slobs.

 

I’m pretty sure it was Hunter Biden

 

So the tweet just narrates a story. With a lot "he APPEARS", it "LOOKS LIKE". Maybe their guesses are correct maybe they aren't. Like most of the tweets it's not really proof of anything. It seems like relying on tweets and tiktoks has backfired on you guys so much.

 

Seven People Died in Connection With the Capitol Attack. Trump Just Called the Insurrection a ‘Hoax’

Addressing an arena far from filled to capacity, former President Donald Trump referred to “the insurrection hoax” during a rally for Republican Harriet Hageman. Hageman is running in a primary against anti-Trump congresswoman, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.).

“As one of the leading proponents of the insurrection hoax, Liz Cheney has pushed a grotesquely false, fabricated, hysterical, partisan narrative, and that was the narrative of the day,” he said. Seven people died in connection with the very real attack, according to a bipartisan Senate investigation.

Trump is targeting Cheney’s race likely out of a personal vendetta. Cheney is one of only two Republicans sitting on the panel investigating the Capitol attack. Cheney also voted to impeach Trump following the insurrection. “She has gone crazy… Totally crazy,” Trump said of the congresswoman.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-rally-wyoming-cheney-hageman-1360299/

What a lying POS.

 

Here's the escape for Trump and his cronies. Proud Boys are the scapegoats.

 

related

Percentage of Americans who say Trump was responsible for Jan. 6 drops: poll

https://thehill.com/news/3512919-pe...y-trump-was-responsible-for-jan-6-drops-poll/

 

seditious conspiracy carries up to 20 years behind bars…we’ll see what these traitors ultimately get

they can enjoy eating months old meatloaf and washing their cellmate’s undies

 

times like these make me wish andrew jackson was president. he would personally hang all those traitors on the steps of the capitol and make a certain orange fatboy watch them all die then he would hang him last.

 

This is honestly shocking in the details: only a six-point move in 18 months? Damn. Can't recall a political after-stink like that in this century.

 

So what is your opinion about that? Are you surprised by the poll? Do you think trump is mainly responsible for the January assault on the Capitol?

 

So will the leader of the insurrection get charged?

 

Peter Navarro vows revenge against Dems.

He claims executive privilege but writes a whole book apparently that's not privilege.