If people are mature enough to talk about the real problem... inner city family structures (Dads not at home), a lack of prioritization on education, and harmful cultural influences... Young black males are 21 times more likely to be involved in gun violence than white males. 2% of the population and 38% of gun homicide fatalities. That's a problem that we have to address, folks. We need individual accountability, not to lower the bar or make excuses for a group. I say this not to be spiteful, but to highlight the real problem so we can try to fix it. Spoiler
Not disagreeing that that is a problem, but if the same people had no access to guns, gun deaths would be much much lower. And the problem you are describing doesn't address the school shootings. I don't think you have the same demographics there.
Hey how about changing the thread to "Another day another 3-4-5-6 mass shootings? Thanks gun nuts. Actually F the gun nuts. Thanks right wing politicos on the S.Ct. Time to end the 2nd Amendment. Ok, lol let's have more prayers and analyzing the motives and troubles of the shooters. Or have more interviews with the victims' crying families. Or maybe some things about how the victims were nice folks. Maybe some prattle about background checks, mental health, social media statements made etc.
Yes and the media likes to conflate the two in order to make mass shootings appear to be more of a threat. The number of people killed by mass shootings is a tiny fraction of those killed by inner city violence and gang activity.
The USA is unique in that there are 400 million guns here already (in private citizens hands). Regardless of policy, we’ll never see a complete disarming in our lifetime. Even if strict gun control passed, that just means that criminals will be the only ones with guns. Extremely unsafe.
Are gang members going into schools and churches and mowing down random strangers? Again, they’re both a problem but to ignore the differences is absurd.
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School shootings are statistically insignificant. There have been 274 people killed in school shootings in the United States (or what is now the United States). That isn't this year, that is since 1764. In the St. Louis metropolitan area, there were 676 from 2018-2019 (per the CDC). School shootings are tragedies, but they are so rare that they should not be a driver of policy.
That alone isn't the massive problem we have with guns. It's all the other deaths on top of it caused by negligent and violent people putting their wives and kids at a much higher risk of dying with a gun in the home. Far too many kids die from guns compared to other countries. Far too many women are shot or killed by their abusive partners in this country. Add in all the criminals and gang bangers who rob and murder others and it's a trifold of reasons to mandate much stricter regulations. You can't wish it away with thoughts and prayers. You can't wait until there are a billion guns in the hands of Americans. Yes, that trifold of reasons is more than enough to start changing our ways for a safer country.
My lord there are some sad comments these last few pages. How much indifference, inaction, blood can a faction of society in a particular part of the world tolerate? Other countries in the past have had events. They do something. Here it happens over and over and over. Said faction of society does nothing. It’s absolutely pathetic.
You and others have brought this up and I find it a very strange line of argument. I agree that school shootings are overall rare when compared to other crimes but again that is like stating that plane crashes or spills of nuclear waste are rare when compared to deaths from other causes. That doesn't mean we not address those because they are rare. If anything given the potential for damage from them we regulate them even more.
I don't think more laws need to be passed to address it. Teachers and parents should be on the lookout for bullying and kids who are being bullied (pretty much all the school shooters were victims of bullying and social outcasts) should be removed from that situation and given help/training to try to help them avoid future bullying but that should be up to the parent. Children should chose not to bully other kids, but that is up to the children. Make friends with the losers and outcasts at your school, the life you save may be your own. Why would focusing on the areas that cause far more damage be a strange line of argument though? If more people die in one year in St. Louis from gun violence than all school shootings in history combined, why should we focus more attention on school shootings than shootings in St. Louis. Wouldn't we save a lot more lives focusing on shootings in St. Louis (even more expanding that to urban centers generally)? Plane crashes and spills of nuclear waste are not frequently topics of debate in which people's rights are casually dismissed. Things we do to prevent plane crashes are frequently done on the manufacturing side or in pilot training. No one argues that too many people die at once in a plane crash, so we should have lower capacity planes or limit the speed and altitude that pilots are allowed to fly them. No one says we need to regulate assault reactors and limit new reactor construction to 1960s technology. Technical advances and training are used to address those issues. I would say regulations in nuclear power have overall been pretty terrible for the advancement of clean energy, and we would have a lot more and better nuclear power plants without so much regulation. How many new nuclear power plants have been constructed in the US in the last 40 years?
Not with any intent to offend you, you don't know what statistically insignificant means. It's clearly statistically significant, meaning that statistically it is not an aberration but a predictable trend. Just because it is small doesn't make something insignificant (statistically speaking). If you did the analysis, I am sure the confidence interval would exceed 95%. That being said, I think what you are really trying to say it's a small drop in the bucket. Maybe. They are rare, but not as rare as you make it. You fail to mention that 2/3 of those 274 deaths happened since Columbine, so why go back to 1764 unless you are trying to minimize it further??? School shootings are just a small part, but what is also ignored that it has affected over 300,000 young people who have had to live with the fear of the threat of a school shooting at their school. 300,000 kids had to go through that trauma that they will remember for the rest of their lives. That isn't insignificant. And why only look at school shootings considering 3,500 kids die from the gun each year. Or 40,000 adults? All in all, casualties from guns cost the US over $220 billion dollars a year economically, yet all we can do is have thoughts and prayers? Well the violence is going up. The more guns out there has not resulted in less violence, it's "shockingly" much much more. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/local/school-shootings-database/
9/11. Awful laws like the patriot act were passed. Countless limits to our freedoms. Two 20 year wars. Trillions of dollars wasted. For one statistically insignificant event. How many 9/11s worth of gun deaths happen every year? I would guess 10 to 15.
