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Inflation at its highest in 40 years…

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by LosPollosHermanos, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Bandwagoner

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    "octane rating of fuel has nothing to do with improving power or torque."

    the part I quoted. There is a reason people are running E85 and 5 bar map sensors breh
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    Biden did announce several steps to combat inflation the past week also.
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    The actual chemical reaction of higher octane fuel doesnt generate more torque. The design of the motor with a higher compression ratio or rammed in compressed air from a turbocharger is what increases torque. The higher octane rating of the fuel just prevents premature combustion.
     
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  4. Space Ghost

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    The Biden administration, and the entire world, have been fighting inflation for many months now.
     
  5. Bandwagoner

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    For all practical purposes, tons of cars made in the last 10-15 years pulls timing and boost when lower octane is used. Not just performance cars, freaking Mazda sedans give actual spec differences with different fuel grades.

    Octane CLEARLY has "something to do with increasing power AND torque"

    Cars older than you have knock sensors that will pull timing. No one cares about the BTU per gallon argument you are making. Methanol loses that also, racers DGAF.

    The answer to the question of if they put higher octane fuel in their car will it have more power is quite possibly YES depending on their model.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    The only reason you would want to put higher octane fuel in your car is if you getting knocking if you don't. So yes, higher octane fuel allows engineers to design motors that have high compression without premature combustion.

    So yes in some cases with very old cars where you might experience occasional knocking, putting a higher octane fuel can help.
     
  7. Bandwagoner

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    You won't get knocking. That's what that whole sensor/PCU thing does. You just less power when the timing/boost is adjusted. Engineers worked all this out a while back. They wanted higher efficiency and performance but also the ability for the car to not hurt itself if premium wasn't available.

    I also disagree older cars. It's mostly newer cars with crazy lean fuel maps, insane compression and boost.

    2022 Mazda 3 specs:

    250 @ 5,000 rpm (with 93 octane fuel)
    227 @ 5,000 rpm (with 87 octane fuel)

    320 @ 2,500 rpm (with 93 octane fuel)
    310 @ 2,000 rpm (with 87 octane fuel)
     
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  8. MojoMan

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    a blessing in disguise , many folks will be forced to mature and act like adults
     
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    Gas hits nearly $10 a gallon in California's Mendocino

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-gas-nears-10-dollars-17218407.php

    excerpt:

    Judy Schlafer owns Schlafer’s Auto Body & Repair in Mendocino and said her last load of 8,880 gallons of gas, which has to be paid off in 10 days, cost about $50,000. Three months ago, she said she paid about $20,000 less for the same size load. Schlafer said that if she didn't charge $9.60, she'd be out of business.

    "I’m going to be lucky if I make the year with all the fees, the regulation, the payroll fees," she said. "If it continues the way it is, Mendocino won’t have a gas station next year."
    more at the link
     
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  11. Astrodome

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    I will go back to 93 octane once this transitory event reverts to 2019 and it dips to sub $3.00.
     
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  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's not that simple oil exploration requires investment. You're just qs bad as Republicans here with the blaming Biden. One day Russia will be selling oil again so producers have to factor in more than the present day situation
     
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  13. pgabriel

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    Inflation caught up with oil prices. Transportation was directly affected by supply chain problems.

    That on top of a long streek of I would suspect were break even economic conditions.
     
  14. pgabriel

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    One thing about oil prices, there are oodles of information.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/748207/breakeven-prices-for-us-oil-producers-by-oilfield/


    Published by N. Sönnichsen, Apr 1, 2022
    According to a 2022 survey, the average oil producer operating in the Eagle Ford oilfield in the U.S. needed WTI oil prices to amount to a minimum of 48 U.S. dollars per barrel in order to profitably drill a new well. This compared to a breakeven price of 23 U.S. dollars per barrel for existing wells. Operators in the Eagle Ford basin have the lowest average breakeven prices when compared to other oil basins. The monthly average WTI oil price fell to a low of 16.55 U.S. dollars per barrel as a result of the coronavirus pandemic-induced oil crisis in April 2020. However, for most of 2021, prices have traded above 60 U.S. dollars
     
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    the cruelty is intentional, the left has an insane notion that they can force us all into buying EVs by temporarily raising gas prices and making it economically painful to drive our existing vehicles

     
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  16. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes the Left convince Putin to invade Ukraine and for O&G companies to greatly cut back on production. How far does this rabbit hole go?
     
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    The left took control of Trump's mind when he begged Saudi Arabia to cut back production.
     
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  19. pgabriel

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    @MojoMan

    Please stop blaming the left. Oil companies were barely making money till Putin did this stupidity. They are not investing in production based on this war that will eventually end

    Trump already looks like a fool foe his admiration of Putin. I understand it's politics but there are no recent regulations leading to current prices or preventing more drilling
     
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  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Well it worked after the gas prices rose in the 2000's. SUV sales tanked and car companies made more efficient engines.
     
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