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Congratulations to Gov DeSantis

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. deb4rockets

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    Even if we skip vaccines he chooses mandates that fit the Republican agenda though.

    Just like there is a big difference in making government decisions based on personal preferences he doesn't like. He mandates Anti-LGBQT bills to basically strip away people's rights to read books or talk about a lifestyle he doesn't agree with.

    He doesn't care about things that actually put people in danger like guns. He doesn't care that the U.S. accounted for almost 97% of the firearm deaths among children 4 years old or younger, and 92% of firearm deaths for those between the ages of 5 and 14 across 29 countries.

    Being LGBQT doesn't kill anyone but guns do. The mandates and laws he enforces are personal preference, and certainly not based on anything but hate and ignorance. Burn the books and save your children. Stop crying about guns. You are safer with guns. Now that's just ignorant thinking and decision making.
     
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    Businesses have no right to set rules of their patrons. Requiring a vaccine is like making people wear shoes and a shirt. No right for a business to do that and its crazy overreach. We must protect people from vaccine, shirts, AND shoes.

    What do these businesses think they are? Capitalist organizations operating in a free society?? Crazy!
     
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    It is still an individual's decision.

    But the small government position would be to allow businesses and organizations to set the policies they feel best serves employees and customers or is best for their business and productivity rather than have that regulated by the government.
     
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    No, "small government" is ultimately about the freedom of the individual, not about the freedom of businesses and organizations to restrict freedoms of individuals.
     
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    Private businesses should be allowed to require proof of vaccination, if they believe vaccination reduces transmission rates. The government not allowing businesses to make decisions that it believes protect the safety of its workers and customers is clearly statist overreach.
     
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    Government not allowing businesses and organizations to determine their own policies but instead have their policies decided by the the government is not small government.

    Again, individuals are free to not get the vaccine and not patronize businesses or events that require them. Individual freedom isn't infringed upon.
     
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    Except that individuals start business and as such individual business owners should have a say in how to conduct their businesses.
     
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    Just to remind everyone that in the Hobby Lobby case the USSC did decide that a private business does have the right to decide on whether to provide health insurance for their employees based on religious views. That was a decision cheered on by "small government" conservatives. But now the argument is that businesses can't decide on things like that when it comes to an issue that they oppose.

    So in other words. Small government is the right of business and other property owners on issues we agree on. Small government is what the state decides is best for the individuals and business owners and property owners on issues we don't agree on.
     
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    That only applies if it comes to making gay cakes or having abortion pills on your insurance policies.
     
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    Special Olympics USA is not a small business run by an individual. Neither is Disney.
     
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    nm. sweetlou already commented
     
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    I thank the parents of the athletes with disabilities who vaccinate their children.
     
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    Thank them for what? It makes no difference to you.
     
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    Sure it does. I've worked with hundreds of kids with disabilities working as a Special Education teacher, primarily with children with Autism. I care about them getting protection. I'm not one of those who just cares about myself. I appreciate parents who do all they can to protect their children.
     
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    They are corporate entities. As the Citizens United decision noted that corporations do have rights of individuals. Again this is the state of Modern Conservatism. We believe corporations have the right of personhood when they agree with us and fund our campaigns. They don't when they do something we disagree with.
     
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    All of this hinges on the unresolved question of whether someone's vaccination status impacts the safety of those around them. The evidence that it impacts other's safety appears to have been waning with the new Omicron variants. Clearly, the people who support these restrictions don't want to take the chance that vaccination makes no difference in protecting others. It's not a simple situation.

    Also, who is making the health care decisions of these athletes? Is it them, or do they have anti-vaccine caretakers or guardians who do so? If the athletes aren't the ones making their own vaccination decisions, I would first blame the people who are choosing not to vaccinate them, as they are injuring them twice over by making them more vulnerable to a serious COVID illness which can have both physical and mental effects, AND potentially robbing them of the ability to engage in the Olympics.
     
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    The risk/reward ratio for children is not that amazing. Arguably, immunity from an infection is better for children.
     

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