mass shooting prevented Police: Woman killed man who fired rifle into party crowd https://apnews.com/article/politics-police-shootings-west-virginia-1c089b5ba0ca83f05603cf0cce184c8d
I think the more and more people are seeing through the propaganda. The crap being spewed by Abbot and the NRA is just coming up empty. That's the way it seems. I hope it is true.
Serious question. What do you think would happen if you could some how convince 2/3of congress and 3/4 of governors to repeal the 2nd amendment? Take into consideration most of law enforcement and service men support the 2nd amendment. Violence would sky rocket for decades. Guns is an american culture thing. You're not going to simply wave a magic wand and make this disappear over night.
I disagree that violence would skyrocket for decades. I think it would stay the same with a slight decrease at first start tapering off over time.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 Just found this interesting... hadn't realized that firearm related deaths is now #1 for the 1-19 age group. The chart shows it overtaking motor related deaths in 2020
I think if there was a serious attempt to repeal the 2nd and remove a lot of existing firearms out there we will see another civil war. I don’t see most firearm owners legally giving up their weapons even if they are compensated. I also think many State legislators would refuse to go along with repeal of the 2nd and some of the states that didn’t go along with it might be willing to use force to prevent Federal enforcement to remove firearms. I fully agree any legislation now will not make much of a difference given how many firearms are out there. What it would be doing is working at the margins and hopefully lead to a change in culture regarding firearms. The problem with not doing anything is that we are in an arms race where more people are buying firearms because more people fear how many already have firearms.
Here's a Voice of America article describing mass school shootings in the U.K. and other countries and the gun control laws that quickly resulted from them. https://www.voanews.com/a/uk-s-dunblane-grieves-for-uvalde-fears-nothing-will-change-/6592736.html Here are the relevant excerpts: (FYI the U.K. had already had a semi-automatic weapons ban and mandatory registration for shotgun owners in place after a previous mass killing of adults.) I guess there's a reason that people in other countries can't wrap their heads around what's happening in the United States.
Wouldn't states or federal governments have to pass new gun laws? I don't think repealing the second amendment on its own would do anything.
Maybe. Many states didn't adopt Amendments to give black people the right to vote, or women, or ban liquor, and those became constitutional changes. Actually, if there was enough support for a 2A repeal, my guess wouldn't be civil war, but more of a robust black market like during prohibition. I'm not giving up my guns until I feel like most criminals with guns are disarmed. Yes, I understand the gun lobby loves the massive amount of illegally owned and used guns out there. I also am not foolish enough to think that I can prevent the military from taking me out, no matter how well prepared I am.
Actually, the argument that as population increases, the raw number of most things relating to people will increase is just common sense. That is why things are typically looked at on a per capita basis when doing comparisons across different groups or across time instead of looking at raw numbers. The idea behind a 2nd Amendment repeal would be that it would allow legislative action at the state and federal level. It would be the first time since prohibition that an Amendment was passed to limit personal freedom (arguably the 22nd does, I suppose, if you count running for President as a personal freedom).
No, it wouldn't. That is largely why those who cry to ban weapons have put little thought into the subject. At the topic at hand, you first must ask what is an acceptable amount of mass shootings. It will be very difficult to accept anything less than a 95-99.9% reduction. Given that the overwhelming amount of mass shootings have occurred from weapons legally obtained, the only way to reach this number is an outright ban and confiscation to the level only seen in most authoritarian countries. Then you must ask what it takes to reach this, legally. The federal government and state governments must repeal the 2nd amendment and institute an outright ban on the federal level. While this isn't impossible, it will result in millions of deaths through some form of war. The wiser and less prudent approach taken is that mainstream America simply needs to accept that we have a gun culture problem. No other country in the world loves their guns more than the mainstream American. Lets take the filming of the movie Rust for example. Hollywood is in love with their guns even though it is lead by left leaning liberals who frequently tell Americans they need to get rid of their guns. Why, in any circumstance, is a real gun ever used as a shooting prop? Ever? Anyone who has taken the most basic gun safety course knows you NEVER point a (real) gun at a person unless you intend on shooting them. Why does hollywood think they are the exception to this rule? Maybe Hollywood should stop making some many violent movies glorifying the use of guns in the first place. Secondly, we need to stop selling guns on nearly every major street. The 2nd Amendment only grants the citizen the right to own a gun. We do not need to make guns and ammo readily available to every person in this country. Why do we continue to sell guns in grocery stores? Or Sporting good stores? Or pawn shops? This is insanely stupid. If you wish to buy a gun, you go to a gun specialty shop who is trained and authorized to sell weapons. Lastly, you place the responsibility back on gun owners. If you wish to own a gun, you are responsible for it. If you sell or give a gun to someone, you are responsible if they use it for a crime. No ifs, ands, or buts. Secure your weapon.
It's so tiring to see people throw their hands in the air and say "Too late now! Nothing will change this. We can't stop it by gun restrictions, mandatory gun licensing or anything else!" If gun toting hot heads, mentally unstable people, druggies, drunks, and immature kids can buy guns legally we will have millions more guns in the hands of potentially violent people every damn year. Doing nothing but say "It's our freedom" is about as reckless and negligent as it gets. Times have changed, people have changed, and the laws need to change. Take some examples of countries who made it work! Giving up is 3rd world country mentality.
A 10-year-old fifth-grade Florida boy was arrested Saturday and charged with making a written threat to conduct a mass shooting, according to police. When the juvenile suspect, a student at Patriot Elementary School in Cape Coral, Florida, allegedly sent the threatening text, the School Threat Enforcement Team was immediately notified and began analytical research, police said. The Youth Services Criminal Investigations Division assumed the case due to the age of the child. Police arrested the boy after detectives interviewed him and determined probable cause for his arrest. "This student’s behavior is sickening, especially after the recent tragedy in Uvalde, Texas," Lee County Sheriff Carmine Marceno said. "Making sure our children are safe is paramount. We will have law and order in our schools! My team didn’t hesitate one second…NOT ONE SECOND, to investigate this threat." play time is over…ain’t no more “it was a joke” or “we didn’t think he was serious”
mass shootings are still statistically rare events. Not sure they warrant discussing a repeal of a constitutionally enumerated right (as opposed to discussing more pragmatic strategies). from a left-leaning source: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...-are-much-more-common-and-kill-more-americans from a right-leaning source: https://www.city-journal.org/school-shootings-horrific-but-statistically-rare and one from the middle (best I can tell): https://theconversation.com/have-we-become-too-paranoid-about-mass-shootings-125364
