They did rush in within 16 minutes - 12 min arrival - 4min engagement per above timeline by AP and got pushed back... I don't know why they didn't keep on him.. Then waited for an hour for border patrol tactical team. Again, I'm sure as hell not trained or am saying I would be better than them, but I also didn't sign up to be a police officer.
I really hope this isn't true (but have heard the same) and with the cluster **** that's coming out, I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
it’s hard to handle this situation worse than these officers did they even got a kid killed by making them scream out for help this was a mix of cowardice and incompetence of the highest order
I remember years back they were bashing a single security or cop for not going inside a school shooting. I think he went to court. All these coawrds need to be fired
Exactly, it makes me so angry.... If I were a trained officer and I was there to save kids and did nothing, I don't know how I could live with that. I can't imagine what those parents are feeling, I mean it has to be the lowest low ever and then now they're seeing all this incompetence coming out or witnessed it first hand. Just awful
"One of the big issues in Columbine was law enforcement wasn't trained to go after the shooter," said Garrett, the former FBI agent. Instead of immediately confronting the threat and racing into the building, police secured the scene and waited for SWAT teams to arrive, which allowed the gunmen to continue to fire inside." Forty-eight minutes ticked by at Columbine before SWAT entered the building, DeAngelis said, as the officers first had to get their gear at their precincts -- leaving DeAngelis and the police at the scene feeling helpless. In the two decades since Columbine, first responder protocol has drastically improved. Now, most police departments have rapid response officers who carry heavier assault weapons and are trained to enter immediately and "follow the firepower," said Garrett. "If they hear shots, they're going to keep moving closer and closer to it until they confront the shooter." https://abcnews.go.com/us/20-years-columbine-changed-school-shootings-america/story?id=62248885
I know it’s not all police but I’m losing respect for the occupation. Anyone can be a tough guy when writing a traffic ticket or harassing a minority…when there’s a mass shooting, do your ****ing job or resign. And ****ing get out of the way to let parents save their children instead of scratching your ass. I hope the officers who stood by have PTSD for the rest of their lives and are haunted by the screams of children. The officers did not have their children in that classroom. If they did, they would have gone in, outgunned or not, no parent is going to let their child be alone in that moment.
glad the border patrol people were more competent the head of police there needs to resign, horrible they were standing around knowing a shooter was in there
https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ting-at-uvalde-elementary-school-sources-say/ Border patrol agent drove 40 miles to respond to mass shooting at Uvalde elementary school, sources say
when I was in Uvalde in the early 70s, it was little more than a dirt strip with a motel and the Green Hut Cafe. I imagine it's bigger now, google says 16k, but that's still a small town in my book. Why does a town that size merit a swat team like this?
You can read KingCheetah’s post for more information, but a school shooting isn’t like a normal hostage situation. The more time that is wasted the more people are killed. You can come up with hypotheticals about bombs, etc… but that is not how cops are trained to deal with school shooters, at least as far as I understand. And the officers deserve zero benefit of the doubt. The fact that an officer got a girl killed by asking her to yell if she needs help while there was still an active shooter on the loose is mind boggling. I used to be a teacher and we were told never to unlock our doors or make noise until someone came over the school speakers and gave the all clear. The fact that the cops apparently didn’t know this is completely unacceptable. Also, pepper spraying and tackling parents outside is absurd. Are these police officers completely incapable of trying to de-escalate a situation without using force? Do they have no empathy for the parents? This seems like a failure all around for this police force. You can give them the benefit of the doubt if you want but the evidence here doesn’t support it.
If my kid was in that building the police would have had to shoot my ass to keep me out of it given their ****ing inept slow response. I cannot believe this. It's so ****ing infuriating. The police who responded to this situation need to be in ****ing jail, let alone fired.
from wsj timeline: Ramos shot his grandmother Tuesday morning and drove her truck to Robb Elementary School, crashing the vehicle into a nearby ditch at 11:28 a.m., according to the timeline laid out by Mr. Escalon. He then began shooting at people at a funeral home across the street, prompting a 911 call reporting a gunman at the school at 11:30. Ramos climbed a chain-link fence about 8 feet high onto school grounds and began firing before walking inside, unimpeded, at 11:40. The first police arrived on the scene at 11:44 and exchanged gunfire with Ramos, who locked himself in a fourth-grade classroom. There, he killed the students and teachers. A Border Patrol tactical team went into the school an hour later, around 12:40 p.m., and was able to get into the classroom and kill Ramos, Mr. Escalon said. <snip> Asked at the press conference why law enforcement weren’t able to respond in the initial 12 minutes Ramos was outside the school, Mr. Escalon said that was part of the investigation. “Our job is to report the facts and have answers. We’re not there yet,” he said. Mr. Escalon also said police aren’t sure how Ramos was able to enter the school building. “We will find out more about why it was unlocked—or maybe it was locked—but right now it appears that it was unlocked,” he said. Jay Martin, who lives four blocks from Robb Elementary and walked there after hearing gunfire, said the police’s timeline doesn’t match what he saw in person and online. https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde...shooting-response-11653588161?mod=djem10point
I've heard other experts and LEO say that we still gathering information about what exactly happened: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/uvalde-police-response-parents.html "Mr. Higgins (former SWAT team commander) emphasized that much of what occurred in the Uvalde shooting remained unclear. “If by the police going in, more people would have been injured, they’re in this Catch-22,” Mr. Higgins said. “You don’t want anybody else shot.” Again we don't know what exactly the LEO knew on scene. Even being on scene there is a fog of war. We're so used to seeing things like movies and TV shows where the highly skilled and brave SWAT team takes out the bad guys cleanly. I've never been in a firefight but from what I've heard the reality isn't like that and one reason why in many battles civilian deaths outnumber actual combatants. So yes the LEO very well might've performed horribly and it's possible more could've been saved. I'm just saying let's get more info before we start jumping to conclusions about how horrible they performed.
I will criticzie the Uvalde PD for having to wait for Border Control officers. The Uvalde PD has said they have their own SWAT team so why they had to wait for Border Control does seem very questionable.
On a related tangent. As someone who's taught "Run, Hide, Fight" by the time you get to fight especially in a firearm situation your chances of survival are very low. Most of self-defense is preventing being in the situation where you have to defend yourself.
It's just so easy to type this out. Being in that situation, you have to accept death and then walk through that door. Not an easy thing to do. It sucks it took so long, truly sickening event.
