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Critical Race Theory.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @FranchiseBlade

    They don't teach about Ford because he is Irish. That was the point. I don't know or give a **** that he was.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    No there aren't a lot of doctors like that who pioneered and made open heart surgery possible. Only one does.

    One way to inspire children to learn that 5th grade math is showing the success stories of those who pioneered even when they had greater odds against them.

    You are stretching and reaching out to find a reason to deny the accomplishments and doesn't work. It is a win for every person to learn that.
     
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  3. FranchiseBlade

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    And they don't need to teach about Williams because he was black. They should point out that because he was black he had a tougher road and still accomplished what he did.

    Half a million people every year have the heart surgery he pioneered.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    But your question was answered. It doesn't matter who answers it. The answer was provided.
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    There is a first for everything. A lot of doctors were the first to do something. Henry Ford is more crucial to manufacturing than he is to medicine
     
  6. pgabriel

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    Your answer was stupid. Do you nort understand how crucial Lincoln is to history? They don't teach about him because he is white

    This country was founded by whites. There are a lot more crucial to history. You didn't answer the question.
     
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  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    They need to teach history in terms of crucial events and people. The goal isn't making people feel good

    You can't apply affirmative action to history
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Nope.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    You've stopped making sense, comrade.

    Надеюсь, вы продолжите учить английский. я тяну за тебя.
     
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  10. FranchiseBlade

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    If you had learned real history, you would know that 5000-8000 people of African descent fought for the colonies in establishing The United States.

    In fact the first casualty in the Revolutionary War was Crispus Attucks. A person of African descent who was the first to ever give his life for the United States. He did it before any white man.

    Certainly the building of the nation wasn't by just the whites.

    Ваша российская история затруднила вам понимание истории Соединенных Штатов.
     
  11. pgabriel

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    A lot of people know this. The kids we are talking about don't know George Washington or Christopher columbus. They don't know **** about American history.

    They still need basics first. You're talking about giving them more to learn. That's not these kids problem. There problems are more fundamental and basic
     
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    You tell these kids the first open heart surgery was performed by a black they're gonna be like wtf is open heart surgery
     
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    Delete
     
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    Other historians point to Christopher Seider as the "first casualty" of the American Revolution. So it's not so easy as learning "real history."

    https://www.newenglandhistoricalsoc...casualty-in-the-american-revolutionary-cause/

    https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/0...he-boston-massacre-and-the-usas-first-martyrs
     
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    It is as easy. Because either way you learn the contributions of patriots of African decent and the thousands that fought for the founding of the United States as well as those that were promised freedom if they fought for the British. One would start to learn how promises get made for support when its needed.

    It paints a more accurate picture than simply Slavery/Jim Crow / and MLK or whatever the bits were that @pgabriel said was all that was needed.
     
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    If that is the extent of the lesson, perhaps. You tell them life saving surgery that is performed on half a million people each and every year and they will understand.

    Just like if you reduce a lesson on Henry Ford to him using an assembly line and they'll ask what an assembly line is.

    But I don't believe either of us is actually suggesting that type of teaching, right?
     
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    You didn't know it or you wouldn't have made your claim about only whites starting the nation.

    Giving a more complete picture and making the material more relevant to the students is a better way to have them learn the basics and become better educated.
     
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    Henry Dalton - Wikipedia
    "On July 10, 1893 African American surgeon Daniel Hale Williams became the first on record to mimic Dalton's success, repairing the torn pericardium of knife wound patient James Cornish."
     
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    you need to look in the mirror!
     

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