WHats even more dumb is to use free throw shooting to prop up an argument and have no idea what the figures are and then backtrack to using older stats to make a point. These MFers are out of pocket!
Interesting. So you were wrong when you said Paolo was below average from 3. Why is that not surprising.
You are welcome to go through my entire post history. I started in 1999 as Zaam. I have a very, very good track record. I suppose I can also be dumb.
Huh? You brought up catch and shoot numbers. Even then he’s below average to right at average. His overall 3P % is below average
Sengun played at higher level in Euroleague than NCAA. Aren't you the poster boy of "but he played with grown ass men"??? And I've confirmed on multiple threads that I'm in favor of drafting Banchero if Rockets do not move up.
I'm not saying PB is an elite NBA athlete, I'm saying that you are confusing "not elite" (solid! good!) with "below average," which is what Sengun is. And Sengun cannot cover on the perimeter at all at all at all because of those athletic limitations. I hate that you are making me throw shade at Sengun, who I love. I just wish people wouldn't fetishize him as some franchise cornerstone when that's just not his profile. He's a nifty, super fun player, but you're insane if you think front offices think of him as a top-of-the-draft kind of talent. I mean he didn't even make second-team all rookie this year.
College basketball average is 35% on catch and shoot. Banchero 36%. It makes no sense to compare alpha shot creators with volume to spot up shooters and just give one percentage for everything and everyone. You are not factoring in a ton of nuance here and I think deep down you know that’s the truth. It’s not going to fool people here.
If u can't use predraft Euro stats to compare Sengun to other rookies how tf u going to do research on european prospects? p D-rock was comparing predraft Euro stats to most recent Banchero stats, and apparently it shows sengun was better.
Sengun is not below average outside of top end speed, maybe. I’m not making you do anything. You’re just flat out wrong in that aspect. Paolo is a solid athlete, same as Sengun. Paolo might be a 7 vs Alp a 6 on 10 point scale relatively speaking. Neither are elite. For the record, athletic testing and coaching with Olympic athletes is literally what I do.
They were debating who is better at shooting 3’s or who had more 3pt upside. I’m serious that is what they were debating. Are you really going to say Sengun is or will be a better shooter than Bancarro? How did stats from a few years ago before Sengun even attempted 3’s faithfully clarify that at all? How can you possibly make that conclusion?
So now it’s not just catch and shoot? It’s alpha shot created 3 pt shooting? Whatever that means. For one. He wasn’t the alpha creator on that Duke team. Two, I’m not seeing 35% on catch and shoot percentages for NCAA.
You don’t throw a stat out that every player must adhere to reglardless of their role or volume. And then proclaim them a good shooter if they reach this manufactured and flawed milestone. This NBA 101. Come on man you smarter this.
Do you think Banchero will be an above average 3 pt shooter in the NBA? 35/36% I don’t see either being above average, personally. Paolo will most likely shoot close to that, Alp will most likely top out around 34ish. If we go off past percentages and shooting stroke/form.
You keep falling back on the "neither are elite" line as though that means they are comparable. "Note elite" is a big big big range! And since there aren't measurables on these guys, just tape, your "6 versus 7" rating is an unserious attempt to just rephrase your own argument. All I can say is look at tape and scouting on PB and nobody says he's a below average athlete. Whereas virtually everyone says that about Sengun. And both of those scouting assessments are consistent with eye tests. PB doesn't have high end verticality - neither does Sengun! - but he has elite strength/power, quick feet, great hips, good lateral agility for his size (hence the otherwise unflattering ben simmons comps), and can jump off either one or two feet. His natural position and quickness profile are those of a 3, he just happened to grow into a 6 foot 10 frame and add a lot of muscle. I hate myself because I like Sengun about 20 times as much as I like Banchero, but I can't stand it when people try to trick themselves into stuff they want to believe because they subjectively find a player fun.
NCAA basketball isn't very fast paced, especially not Duke. Duke is one of the slower teams in the country. The NBA pace is far quicker and the Rockets were 2nd in the league in pace last year. Not that I disagree with overall point. Sengun wasn't much of a transition player and Paolo is the better overall athlete IMO.
All I said was he wasn’t a good 3 pt shooter in college. That is a fact. It can’t be he’s a good catch and shoot player and at the same time claim he’s going to be a shot creator and facilitator. Those are the opposite types of players. And to be honest, I personally like Paolo. I do think he can be a player in this league. I don’t see the upside that Chet and Jabari have. I see the same type of upside for Alp as I do Paolo, with Paolo having the advantage due to his superior ball handling. And to be truthful, I am more ruffling jiggy and verbal feathers than actually trying to say anything negative about Paolo.
Listen. I wasted a significant amount of time trying to convince people Sengun could even play in the NBA last year. I called half the board idiots and I’m not about to do that again. Watch tape. A lot of it. It doesn’t seem like you have. Your understanding of statistics seems hopelessly rudimentary for a real conversation here and you are banking on a ton of speculation regarding who Sengun will become. I can’t do this anymore it’s just too far from logic for me at this point. At the end of the day you said Sengun is better than Banchero and that will be on your track record for the next decade. Good luck bro
Find one scouting report that says he is elite laterally, that is literally his negative. His profile is a 4, and strictly a 4 from a body type and athletic profile. His skillset may let him operate as a 3 from time to time. And again, Sengun is not below average physically. That is more to do with a bias than actual ability. Below average athletes can’t do 360 dunks in game or have numerous recovery blocks on NBA guards.
You people are not even trying to have good faith debates anymore. Its an all out smear campaign and its pathetic. What the **** does "playing with grown men" have to do with mother****ing free throw shooting?? Seriously. Get the **** out here with all that **** dog I've had enough.
