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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ThatBoyNick, Feb 10, 2022.

  1. Asian Sensation

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    You give Harden a pass after he burns 2 teams and throws everyone and everything about them under the bus in just 13 months but you want Embiid to be more careful about what he says? Sounds like you have an ulterior motive.

    Embiid can say and do anything he wants. He’s basically like Harden was here before he got exposed. Difference is Embiid is actually a winner and has his head on straight. He needs to get out of Philly ASAP and the thoughts probably crossed his mind. He ain’t winning $hit with Doc as head coach and especially not with Harden as his main side kick. Or any team with Harden around.

    Jimmy Butler the mastermind giving him respect and praise is probably setting up a move to get Embiid to force his way out of Philly. Either way it’s gonna be a long summer in Philly. Thanks Harden! Everywhere he goes it’s always drama, more questions, uncertainty and doubt.

    That Philly organization is F*cked. Brand picked the wrong one between Butler and Harris.



    Morey trading again for Harden was an epic fail and will only continue to look worse. Just imagine they could have had Embiid, Butler, kept Curry and Drummond and those 2 First round picks AND gotten CJ McCollum Plus a bunch of other pieces/assets. Now that’s a f*cking squad. They’re messing up from top to bottom. Morey > Brand > Rivers> Harden. The only bright spot on that team is Maxey and he gotta be frustrated thinking what this old, zero point scoring, no effort or defense playing, heartless bum even talking about

     
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  2. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    Being objective is not pining for Jimmy Butler, Seth Curry and Andre Drummond - none of whom aren't part of your roster anymore. That's like being with your current SO and vocally wishing you were still with your ex. You just don't do that.

    Being objective should not include a statement like "nothing against our current roster, but we don't have someone like PJ Tucker on this team." That's like being with your current SO and vocally listing out things your current SO could stand to do better, like your ex did. You just don't do that.

    Is he allowed to have these thoughts? Of course - we're all human. But taking shots at your own team under the guise of praising the opponent? That's not objectivity. Dude might as well request a trade to Miami if he wants to be around those players so badly.

    Example: You'll never hear KD taking shots at Kyrie by saying "nothing against our current roster, but we're the 7th seed because opposing teams had everyone available to play every game when needed." Obviously, Kyrie's availability was the worst part of the Nets' season and everyone knows it. But publicly taking a shot at Kyrie is just not the way to go.
     
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  3. wekko368

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    So you criticize Embiid when he talks about guys on his team. And you criticize him when he talks about guys that aren't on his team.

    There's really no pleasing you, is there?

    If Embiid is identifying legitimate problems without criticizing individual players, that's being objective.
     
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    Yeah probably not a championship material. Need no-drama type of Duncan's ilk to build around. But unless you are Danny Ainge, you cower to the "Process" star, which is probably why they are keeping Doc Rivers despite him almost nuking the team with the dumbass emotional post-game comments last season.

    Morey is either star struck or has a gambling problem (risk taker).
     
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    Jimmy Butler said the exact same thing about Embiid, which was what started the conversation. And like the Heat players & fans, I don't have a problem with it. Maybe I'm just not the type to be overly sensitive over some simple compliments/criticisms/observation, especially when they include criticism about themselves.

    As for the PJ Tucker/tough comment and praising Curry, its been something other players/coaches on Philly have acknowledged. While it's definitely not great to hear that for the front office or the team, it's far from inflammatory or something to get worked up about.
     
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  8. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    I have a problem with how public Embiid is, with his criticisms. I'm all for being objective and critical, but why do you have to be in front of a mic to do it? Do it behind closed doors. Complain about your teammates to their face. Complain about Morey's decisions (or lackthereof) to Morey himself. Don't bring it up during a postgame interview to give the media talking heads, free content.

    As much as Harden is maligned for being the common denominator of failed partnerships (CP3, Westbrook, Howard, etc), every postseason 76ers loss seems to end the same way with Embiid - finger pointing and blaming.

    If you're so inclined, go and watch Jokic's game 5 postgame interview, in which they were eliminated by the Warriors. Props up MPJ and Jamal by listing their strengths. Later on, mentions how the Nuggets have the pieces and the tools to come back stronger, next season. You didn't hear any of this from Embiid. All you heard was answers skewed more negative than positive. Stark contrast.

    Taking it a step further, imagine Jokic doing this publicly, unprompted - critically talking about guys on his team or that aren't on his team - right after game 5 against the Warriors.

    "Nothing against our current roster, but we don't have a guy like Draymond on this team." While it's true that the Nuggets don't have a defender like Dray, that statement doesn't do anything to help your team at all and also hurts your team ("damn, this dude thinks our defense was trash") and your front office ("damn, sorry we couldn't get a guy like Dray, Nikola...")

    I like Embiid, and still think he's great. But he's souring on me, quick. Just seems petty and has a "grass is greener" vibe.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with him answering questions in a diplomatic way. Did he actually say anything negative about anyone?

    Not really. Embiid and Butler seem to have a good relationship.

    Nuggets had key injuries which are a convenient excuse. Philly was essentially at full strength. There's reason for Jokic to be optimistic about next season. Embiid.....not so much.

    At the end of the day, most fans enjoy hearing "unfiltered" interviews from players.
     
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    Like when Harden said about Rockets that "this team sucks" or when Embiid directly blamed Simmons for losing an elimination game? I don't think either of the fan bases enjoyed the outcome of those "unfiltered" interviews.

    A public figure can't be unfiltered - in this case locker room chemistry is on the line. Only likes of Kobe and Shaq can overcome chemistry issues and still win. Not "injury-in-waiting" Embiid and "can't shoot" Simmons
     
  11. Major

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    This is what I was referring to when I said both teams would be worse from the trade. Nets were worse because they are an iso-based team and just adding more iso players works great. Curry was helpful to them, but they aren't a team based on floor spacing and Harden would have likely been more useful to them - it didn't help that Simmons never even got on the floor.

    But Philly also was worse because Harden just doesn't know how to fit with anyone. I think the 2nd or 3rd play in game 2 was basically a microcosm of Harden - he brought the ball up the floor, passed it to someone else, and then wandered back across half court off the screen, while his team played 4-on-5 on offense. He simply doesn't know what to do when he doesn't have the ball, and so he contributes nothing to spacing the floor. Philly was much better when the offense was Embiid-focused and Curry floated around giving him space to work. Embiid already seems a bit irritated with him and it's likely just going to get worse. Even ignoring his passiveness in key playoff games, Harden only works well in a Harden-centric offense - unfortunately, that makes it difficult for him to win anything, especially if he's really lost a step.
     
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  12. Asian Sensation

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    Yet Harden is still your favorite player and you mercilessly defend him. Weird. Embiid was speaking the truth. Imagine coming back for a buster like Harden only for him to show up in 1 game out of 6. There’s no reason for him to beat around the bush. Harden and Simmons were both trash and they each wasted 2 prime years of his career. He should be more pissed honestly.
     
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    They didnt follow the process is the problem.

    They fired Hinkie and replaced him with GMs who undid what he had done how did Philly follow the process? Philly is lucky Process got them Embiid otherwise theyd have nothing on their team. Case in point is Simmons, dude was traded for Harden who sucked ass and could walk away next year. Is that the Process' fault? Lets not forget Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris and Fultz.

    I like y'all rewrite history and pretend Philly followed the process all this time wtf.
     
  14. roslolian

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    Dont you think he'd be pissed he out there in a mask and with a torn ligament and Harden cant be bothered to shoot more than 2 times in the game?

    You act like he'd want Harden around with that attitude and with his history of abandoning ship. Even in his post game interview Harden was still blaming others "the ball didnt come back to me" lol he supposed to be the pg.

    Embiid is a warrior, he loved Jimmy B and he hated Simmons. Im pretty sure he aint fond of Harden RN.
     
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  15. LosPollosHermanos

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    Harden is basically a cancer and showed how much winning meant to him when he quit.

    when embiid battles through injuries to come back and had his team trade a large basket to get harden yea he’s gonna be pissed. Winners wanna win.
     
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    You mean silver forcing them to replace top GM with a clueless idiot hurt their team building? Interesting
     
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    it may be so, but this is the risk you willfully take on when youre cheating (and tanking is cheating helooo!), but rest assured youre being watched and punished for breaking the rules, whether by the refs or by the direct intervention of the commissioner who fired their cheating GM...
     
  18. roslolian

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    Nobody can force them to do anything they're the owner lol.
     
  19. roslolian

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    So why you still talking about Embiid and the process when you know it got cut short by Philly?
     
  20. wekko368

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    Again, most fans enjoy unfiltered player interviews. You may not, but most fans do. If a team sucks, I'd rather have a player say "this team sucks" instead of pandering to the masses with talks of sunshine and roses.
     

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