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Investigation Shows Hundreds of US Cops Being Trained by Far-Right Extremists

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Homey the Clown, May 12, 2022.

  1. HTM

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    Yall should move to Houston HPD is mostly minority cops
     
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    Tim Kennedy I recognized. He is a former Special Forces operator and professional fighter that has done a lot of comedy videos with Black Rifle Coffee. It is probably a stretch to call him a radical right wing guy, and what he is teaching likely has nothing to do with politics. I wouldn't be surprised (given his SF background) if he is teaching things like interacting with the community and developing reliable local contacts, in addition to things like situational awareness, close quarters combat, weapon handling, and the like. I would be very surprised if any of them are teaching racism, transphobia, etc.
    Who do you think as a group has more influence on the lives of Americans (collectively), police officers or teachers? I agree that they don't sound similar in origin or effect, but would argue that you have them ranked incorrectly.
     
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    Absolutely police have more influence than "wannabe Marxists at liberal arts colleges"

    It's literally not even close, don't have to do the math.

    Like i said there's not really even much hardcore scientific socialism that's taught as doctrine to my knowledge - most boomers (except for @Os Trigonum ) have retired by now, other than maybe teaching as a historical/theoretical example. And if you take the position it's an intellectual forbidden fruit that must never be mentioned - lol ok

    Unless - you argue that any regime that is not the exact one that aligns with your whims is 'Marxist'. Of course, this is more or less exactly how the term is used, more often than not, like "wokeness" or "critical race theory" by those on the right. The briefcase from pulp fiction in which any policy or theory or tweet can be stuffed and that can mean anything to anybody, as long as it's understood to be something that must be opposed

    Finally I don't even think the influence of "wannabe Marxists at liberal arts colleges"is malign. If anything it provides a nice contrast for right wingers to pretend like they're embattled or react and define themselves against, like how Harvard and Yale can't seem to stop producing ultra right wing power figures like Ted Cruz, Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, JD Vance and Stewart Rhodes etc etc.

    Face it, without "Marxists" to oppose as Hayekians or whatever, there's not really any intellectual threads left in the modern American right, other than just obtaining power, white primacy, etc, and even these require Marxists or designated others as part of their core belief system
     
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    It is easy to answer the questions you wish you were asked instead of the ones you were actually asked. Why did you change one side of the equation without changing the other? If you are going to change teachers to "wannabe Marxists at liberal arts colleges" then shouldn't you change police to "wannabe Nazis at far right police departments"?
    I doubt wannabe Marxists was meant to be limited to the actual doctrine of Karl Marx only, or even Marxism/Leninism. Most likely it was meant as another way of saying communism/socialism.
    It should definitely not be an intellectual forbidden fruit. It should be taught widely as the failed ideology that it was.
    Nope, probably just the ones that pay lip service to Marx, like communism and socialism. You know they are still quoting from the communist manifesto on college campuses, right? When the kids are chanting, "You have nothing to lose but your chains!" did you think that they were coming up with it on the fly?
    Yes, the left never engages in such things. They would never call people Nazis unless they were actual supporters of Hitler and his policies, right? No one uses hyperbole in politics or on the Internet.
    Some of them are malignant. Most of them are just sad.
    Yes, and Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer, Richard Blumenthal, Chuck Shumer, and Sherrod Brown. Those right wing Nazi factories of Harvard and Yale.
    There are plenty of intellectual threads on the American right. Hayek, Rothbard, and Sowell for example (and that is just the libertarian view).
     
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    It's also easy and lazy to disingenuously reframe a response to a previously existing post - which directly referenced ""wannabe Marxists at liberal arts colleges" - language not mine, hence the quotes, as something i " wish i were asked" - when in fact, it was something proffered, and at least indirectly asked to me as a member of the Community, hence, again, the quotes -- and to then, characterize it as avoidance of the thing i was " actually asked" by a different person, several hours later.

    Of course, you know this, or at least, you know it now - so whatever.

    But to answer this newer question, who has more influence " teachers" en masse, by which i guess you mean a teachers from preschool to graduate school, or all law enforcement en masse - i don't know? Do you?

    Its honestly kind of a silly question. Both of these things are influential in people's lives, along with race, social class, geography, etc etc etc. I don't think there's a satisfactory way to quantitatively answer this question for an individual American, let alone all Americans. It's a manifold not a single number.

    The rest of your post is just a bunch of deliberate misinterpreting or logical fallacies not really addressing any of the points i raised, so not going to do the point by point thing.. other than this: take the last one - who cares if RBG went to Yale? I never said she didn't, nor did i say YLS was a "right wing Nazi factory" even though it did produce Stewart Rhodes (Straw man argument IOW, or some variation thereupon)

    The point im making is that for all the Rights talk of intellectual oppression, the people who unlike RBG are alive and wielding power - unlike RBG, even when alive, with all due respect to her -seemed to have flourished in spite of (and actually because of) their struggle as right wingers at Yale where they have to hang out with Amy Chua or whatever and lament their oppression over canapes and Chardonnay. They ****ing love it, don't tell me otherwise because ive seen this firsthand man. Everyone - especially white wingers - loves to be the oppressed heroes in the movie of life. And the most elite ones seem to have all been forged in the burning Marxist fires of our nation's most hallowed, liberal bastions. Hmmm...! (Also, for the record, **** Harvard Yale Stanford)

    It reminds me of the Clarence Thomas story about putting a 10 cent sticker on his Yale Degree - his Yale JD got him his entree into the conservative legal network which literally was a golden ticket to a life of fame, riches and not much accountability for him and his family! He should put a $100 million sticker on it. It's just straight bullshit. A lie. Period.

    Edit PS Hayek has been dead for 30 years and his most influential work is now 80 years old. If he's the top 3 intellectual influences that cones to mind in conservative thinking, that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying here! Also most actual concrete policy imposed by conservatives (Trump DeSantis etc) is not Hayekian or libertarian in any sense.
     
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    What reports?
     
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    None of this means we should be defunding police. If anything it means more money should be put into PD's to start getting rid of LEO who espouse such beliefs through early retirements and buying out contracts. Much more money needs to be put into training and better salaries and benefits to attract more people than just those who are only interested in the power trip that comes from being an officer.
     
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    I had a grad business class 1 1/2 years ago and the guy was or very close to 90. What is that the silent generation? He was an interesting guy can’t believe he was still a professor at UT.
     
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  13. DonnyMost

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    Original poster stepping back in here.

    This is correct. "Wanna-be marxists" in academia (and other very left-leaning professions) is basically meant to be a suitcase term to catch all the negative liberal peccadilloes. From Socialism (capital S mind you, not the little s socialism) to Nihilism.

    Like I said, it's two types of negative outcomes. One is more visceral and proximate. The other is the exact opposite.
     
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    That's the great irony of this whole defund the police situation.

    The reason you get a bunch of right-wing lunatics and drop-outs (these two groups are very closely linked, btw) in law enforcement is precisely because the police are poorly managed and underfunded.

    There's money for days to buy all the cool weapons of war and combat-lite training, but when it comes to things that create more and better public servants? Nope. We don't have it in the budget to raise your salary and teach you self-defense and de-escalation, Junior. That's your problem.

    The police have a lot of similar problems teachers do. Crap salaries in a hyper demanding job. And we wonder why outcomes are so bad.
     
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    YEah except police unions are able to secure much better deals because they do unofficial strikes and blu flus quite a bit, and even when they fail at their job people just demand more of them! Same dynmaic doesn't really apply for teachers or other municipal unions. Policing is a good gig in places with strong unions! It's also how retired police in NYC make more money than me with overtime, sick time, blah blah blah.
     
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    How the hell do you think that will offset?

    How would you feel threatened by the left leaning officer.

    You are not even trying to make sense anymore.
     
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    It's not like a minority's can't be far right or can't be abusive as well.
     
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    sarcasm is hard
     
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    Somebody needs to throw in the towel.

    SF out here slapping @StupidMoniker around.
     
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    This.
     

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