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[Politico] Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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  1. Amiga

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    No, this is incorrect. But I think you answered my question - for you, it starts at the very moment the sperm enters the egg.
     
  2. Amiga

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    Implantation is when a fertilized egg is "implanted" into the lining of the uterus (required for successful pregnancy). It usually happens a week after an egg has been fertilized.

    About 40-50% of all fertilized eggs fail to implant and the person does not become pregnant.

    During that week after an egg is fertilized, all kinds of things can cause the failure - physical activities, what you eat, the drug you take, and so on.

    If someone views contraceptive that causes implantation to be less likely (which some may, but all contraceptive starts with the primary path of preventing fertilization) to be abortion, then all of those things that cause upward to 50% of failure to implant are also abortion. I can't help but think this view lead one to believe that to prevent abortion, there must need to be much more control over what women do and eat as long as they are still ovulating.
     
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    What?

    You were not impressed by his wall of words?
     
  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Driving your car on the freeway can lead to running into another car and killing the occupant. That is not the purpose of driving on the freeway. Driving your car through a parade and running down the participants can also result in killing people, but that different from a motor vehicle accident. One act is designed to get you from point A to point B. The other is designed to kill people.

    So, eating fish or doing jumping jacks are not designed to result in miscarriage. Taking a drug that is specifically designed to disrupt implantation is. In the law, we call this distinction mens rea. Both car scenarios can have the same outcome. Both involve driving the car (the actus reus). In one, the intent of driving the car is to cause death). Exercising may lead to a failure to implant. Taking Plan B may also lead to a failure to implant. The intent of excercise is to have a healthier, stronger body. The intent of Plan B is to terminate your pregnancy. The difference is obvious.
    Perhaps more specifically, when the protonuclei of the sperm and egg merge to form the full collection of 46 chromosomes (some time shortly after the sperm makes contact with the egg, but before cell division). All of this would be considered the process of fertilization. Practically, there is no difference between when the sperm enters the egg and when fertilization concludes, because you would not be able to tell when the process begins and ends and would be unable to interrupt it precisely enough to be sure to eliminate the physically together but not yet combined protonuclei without doing anything that would eliminate a zygote.
    Eight lines is a wall of words?
     
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    Insane if true.
     
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    Sick people protesting in front of justices private residences. Is it going to be a summerly tradition for libtards to get unruly, thuggish, and mobbish about something? And here yall thought DJT spat on democracy, where is the respect for the essential branch of the government, the judicial branch? Any why doesn't there seem to be any investigation of who is the jerkoff that leaked the draft to the public?
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Expect this to happen when a citizenry is used to a basic right for 50 years and is reversed back. That typically never happens in the US. Our history shows a continual expansion of rights. This is one of the first times in American history where a right is reverted back.
     
  9. rockbox

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    By how how descriptive his moniker is.
     
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    When most of those words don't really mean anything yes.
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    So you concede this is a religious argument as a zygote where plan b is effective is not sentient. But if you believe a zygote immediately has a soul, then you believe it has value that is worth forced pregnancy against a sentient being's will.

    So just so we clear this up right? It's a religious argument at this point then?
     
  12. deb4rockets

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    No it isn't insane. It's the Republican mentality. They treat women differently. Look how many guys on here called Kamala a Ho but idolize the men in their party who cheated on their wives multiple times and worse.
     
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    Lol, can she replace Pelosi?
     
  14. durvasa

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    I'm skeptical this is literally true, but perhaps I'm giving these legislatures too much credit. I would guess that "is" should instead be "can be". I hope it's not true.
     
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    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in an interview with USA Today that a national abortion ban is “possible” if Roe v. Wade gets overturned this summer.

    “If the leaked opinion became the final opinion, legislative bodies — not only at the state level but at the federal level — certainly could legislate in that area,” McConnell told USA Today when asked if a national abortion ban is “worthy of debate.”

    “And if this were the final decision, that was the point that it should be resolved one way or another in the legislative process. So yeah, it’s possible,” he concluded.
     
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    I don't know who this lady is but she comes across like a Karen to me.

    Somehow she looks familiar. Was she an actress or something?
     
  17. StupidMoniker

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    No, why would religion be a necessary prerequisite for the protection of human life? Do you think atheists cannot oppose murder? I didn't once mention a soul. That is your way to discount my argument. Mine was based purely on fact, not belief, not religious doctrine, not speculation.
     
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    ...see, the thing of it is...

    ...back when America was great, everybody knew their place. Everybody knew their roles. Everybody stayed in their lanes.

    ...(unless they were TRYING to get run over by somebody because of whatever dumb protest they were having)...

    Women were in the kitchen and barefoot and pregnant. The married ones, at least.

    Exactly the way god or whoever intended, and the way it was originally intended when the constitution was written.

    As soon as women stopped being on-call baby machines and domestic housekeepers, NOW all of this "marital infidelity" nonsense shows up all of a sudden.

    Enough to make you think, is all I'm saying...:D;)
     
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    Your governor is just as crazy.
     
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    I hope not.
     

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