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[Politico] Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DonnyMost, May 2, 2022.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Contraceptives are not a Constitutional right. People should be allowed to use contraceptives. I support legal contraceptives (specifically those without abortifacient effect). Were you under the impression that all good things are protected by the Constitution and that all things not protected by the Constitution will be outlawed?
     
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    No, but apparently that's the way Antonin Scalia thinks. If a right isn't listed in the Constitution then it's up to the states to decide.
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Antonin Scalia is dead, so he probably doesn't think anything, unless he is in the afterlife thinking about ConLaw. Samuel Alito, relying on the court's own jurisprudence, stated that the unenumerated rights are those that were traditionally protected at the time of the founding. That doesn't mean that no rights were protected other than those listed, it means that the courts can't discover rights in the 1970s hidden in the penumbras of the bill of rights that no one managed to realize were rights for the first 200 years of the country.
     
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    Do you feel guilt, regret, shame from your abortion comrade?
     
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    Yes I meant Alito. What is a defined right that was traditionally protected?

    Sure one would think that a state should not be allowed to ban the use of contraceptives? While that may not have been a "traditionally protected" in 1787 is seems pretty fundamental to our current modern living.
     
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    That ball and chain is how those right radicals like their women.
     
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    Exactly! Let's go back in time when blacks and women weren't deemed worthy of voting. Let's go back in time when a woman's place was birthing, washing, and cooking. Let's go back to the days when we could chain an African up and force him to tend our crops. Let's go back to the days of the Scarlet letter.

    The far right shift is moving backwards. Times have changed. Don't revert back to the days of old.
     
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    Thoughts?
     
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    Her decision
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    I'd want some hint of evidence before believing an accusation like that.
     
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    This has low key been my theory since day 1. Not Ginni Thomas, but that a pro lifer leaked this to effectively freeze dissent and lock the supporters into their corners. A liberal leak isn't impossible but there's an effective motive that's lacking. Whereas a conservative leak has some causal reasoning to it.
     
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    Hmmm, if the kavster really was wavering, what must he be thinking now? If RvW does not actually end up overturned this time, it never will be. And if uncle thomas did leak this, he needs to step down, immediately.
     
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    Whoever leaked it could not possibly know the myriad ramifications that would result. Which is not to say they didn't have a particular goal in mind, nor that some proximate result -- like locking in the conservative majority -- wasn't achieved. But it feels a little like the execution by Joffrey in season 1 of Game of Thrones where a hundred different plots are suddenly put in motion as a result.
     
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    Isn't the most plausible motive for leaking the intent of stopping it?
     
  18. B-Bob

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    OMG at this analogy. :D
    Alito at Joffrey?
    Actually, Tucker Carlson seems more like Joffrey than any other public figure currently in the running, i terms of pugnacious and self-righteous punchability factor.

    And was Joffrey the best pro-abortion argument humankind has ever created?
     
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    You don't go to EdgeofSports for all your most informed DC political insider intel?
     
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    Agreed. It's too bad the actor left acting, because he could some day have been cast as Tucker in his biopic. They don't really look alike, but the punchable face quality is definitely there.
     
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