But people were censored for saying things that is consensus now. That's revisionist history point blank. It was implied. That's why you had billboards saying things like "hope is here" and other crap, as if the vaccine was going to end anything. There were countless amounts of people out there literally thinking they would not catch covid because they received the vaccine. Why do you think a big deal was made about "breakthrough cases" earlier on when the first reports started coming out? Only then did you start to see "well no one ever said they were 100%". The timeline is out there. Also what ended up happening is MORE people have died of covid since the vaccines have came out than before within similar timeframes AND there's been a rise in cardiovascular disease, especially among the vaccinated. This correlates with pfizer's own studies. No we don't know that for sure. How can you even say this when vaccines have only been out a year, and again MORE people have died of covid since they've come out and there's been more cardiovascular diseases? Perhaps they have saved some lives, but the coercion and forceful mandates was not good. I had a meeting this week with the HR of one of the three largest healthcare employers on the west coast as they are facing shortages in a few key positions. Their top two reasons for people leaving last year were: 1. higher pay at other employers outside healthcare and 2. vaccination mandates. We've had so many people go down with vaccine side effects at these hospitals requesting leave and some retiring early. You think this is all made up and all a joke, but folks like you will start waking up as more of this becomes mainstream. I remember telling people at my job we have members at hospitals who've come down with side effects from the vax and being told there's no evidence of that (this was about 9 months ago). Now those same people are telling me of members they've heard from who've had vax injuries.
Wow is he really going around saying this now? Posts would get flagged on social media for even suggesting this back in 2020 and now we have this fool saying it openly. The sheep will nod and say "yes he is right. who could have known or predicted covid? it was novel!". literally anyone I see posting that nonsense about "who could have predicted this back in 2020" I'm just going to write off as an idiot because SO MANY PEOPLE WERE SAYING THIS back then. SO MANY PEOPLE were trying to warn others that what was being told by the media didn't match actual facts nor history of coronaviruses. But those people were all told to follow the narrative or have your medical licenses removed, get kicked off health boards, credentials revoked, banned from social media, etc. Hell even I thought something was up when we didnt see people fainting in the streets and having seizures in public like those Chinese propaganda videos that flooded social media in december 2019-january 2020. once late March 2020 rolled around and the same wasn't happening in the west, with all the cameras we have, I knew something was up. man this world is so far gone. COVID essentially doesn't exist in Africa. Especially sub-saharan Africa. The reason is the younger population, sunlight, and...wait for it...the use of ivermectin and HCQ in the population (to fight of malaria mainly but of course it has benefits elsewhere).
I'm 100% against censorship. But the vaccine was absolutely hope. It saved so many. Almost every person that had death or serious effects are because they aren't vaccinated. People without the vaccine faced greater infection rate, more serious consequences all the way. Because it is an infectious virus, there should be mandates. It isn't fair to put people at greater risk from having close contact with those that haven't been infected. The vaccine side effects are less common and less risky than the complications of Covid-19.
I would say that this graph shows that old people (and those who are immuno-compromised) should get vaccinated. The risk/reward ratio changes dramatically for younger people.
You are remarkably uneducated. The vaccine doesn't prevent infection - at all. If you still don't understand this, it's actually quite mind-boggling. The vaccine is about self-protection. The ones who need it are old people. The standard text. Of course it also got this response:
It's strange that you are so certain of your incorrect misunderstanding. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00775-3 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ct-against-infection-transmission/6403678001/ https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covi...tandard-study-mrna-vaccines-prevent-infection https://www.health.harvard.edu/covid-19-vaccines https://www.aljazeera.com/features/...us-vaccines-prevent-transmission-of-the-virus https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597#:~:text=Vaccines have been hypothesized to reduce onward transmission by reducing viral loads.&text=In our study, vaccination was,values of the delta variant. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28936-y https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/04/220414110836.htm Are you still on the ludicrous "if it isn't 100% it doesn't prevent it at all" bandwagon? We know that it reduces viral load, helps people avoid infection but that varients are less likely to be prevented. Yet moreso than without a vaccine. And you are the one calling other folks uneducated? lol. Talk about mind-boggling.
I know the people who developed the vaccines. The point of the vaccines is to prevent dying from Covid. If you think vaccine mandates are justified based on an illusion that vaccines prevent infection, you live in a fantasy world.
Oh do you know the people that people that developed the vaccines? Then your (mis)understanding of what they've told you certainly is more valid than valid studies. Lol. Sure, reducing seriousness is the best effect but not the only one. It reduces transmission and viral load. It's been shown in multiple studies. Yes, the fantasy world backed by actual science is the one in which I live. Are you trying to become the bbs version of Rudy Giuliani? Somebody that once had respect and a good reputation but became a joke by pushing loads of bunk over and over? It's no wonder so many people are calling your posts these days. You make your bed, you lie in it.
Whatever protection against infection you have "on paper" wanes very quickly. Even more so with Omicron. Arguing for mandates based on that is idiotic.
Mandates make no sense. At all. And all your old studies mean nothing. Reality has shown that the vaccines have no meaningful effect on transmission with Omicron. Certainly not an effect meaningful enough to justify mandates. Consider yourself educated.
April 2022 isn't an old study. Lol. Reality has shown that people that are vaccinated don't get infected as frequently as those that aren't.
You can either believe in ideology and stay in your little echo chamber, or you can look at data. I recommend looking at data.
