1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Politico] Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DonnyMost, May 2, 2022.

  1. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,566
    Likes Received:
    144,813
    and even if they do choose life, it could be because they have other children and want to be there for them and watch them grow up…or they just don’t want to die

    people get off on controlling women and telling them how they should handle very difficult situations

    like the GOP politician who said he tells his daughters if rape is inevitable, they should just lie back and enjoy it…I’m sure he’d do the same if he was getting duct taped and butt raped

    and after being raped, if states like Louisiana have their way, u better have that child because if u abort at any time past the point of fertilization, u will get booked on murder charges
     
    Nook, Andre0087, JayGoogle and 3 others like this.
  2. FranchiseBlade

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    51,810
    Likes Received:
    20,466
    But in most states, if not all, the doctors have to determine that.
     
    JayGoogle and No Worries like this.
  3. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,572
    Likes Received:
    17,547
    what price is Schumer referring to?

     
    AroundTheWorld likes this.
  4. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,989
    Likes Received:
    32,259
    Can you imagine finding that out and just telling your wife or daughter...."Well if you die you die, because that's just the price you pay for letting someone rape you."

    Or..."Well, if you die you die, but that baby's life is worth more than your life."
     
    JayGoogle likes this.
  5. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    52,315
    Likes Received:
    45,177
    Yeah, the point your missing is these people think things have gotten worse because Biden isn't left enough. They do hate both, but the past two elections showed that young people undoubtedly hate Trump and his GOP A LOT more. The hate for Biden and Dems you are getting from these groups isn't the hate you give to the Utah Jazz where you wish for their failure, it's the hate you give to Fertita because he's not doing enough but you hope he turns it around does right.


    But this isn't just any other ordinary SCOTUS decision. It WILL affect people. IT WILL AFFECT PEOPLE. Women will be harshly punished for abortions or die trying to do it on their own or whatever the case. This WILL create horror stories and the GOP will 100% own it.

    Well that's why Ukraine isn't the best comparison here because most of the country wants the same thing, red or blue. Also, the major action hasn't been taken by either side here so there's nothing for a politician to really run on here.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    51,810
    Likes Received:
    20,466
    Derision, dislike, disrespect, etc.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    This sounds like a direct threat. Very inappropriate, if not worse. Almost like incitement to violence.
     
    durvasa likes this.
  8. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2001
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    2,826
    No. I think I have made my position very clear. I keep saying that talking about 3rd trimester abortions or abortions to save the life of the mother or abortions in the case of rape or incest is obfuscating the issue. Those are all edge cases. The supermajority of abortions are elective first trimester abortions. Most of the people that say, "But what about abortions seconds before delivery?!?" are not okay with abortions at 10 weeks and they are trying to push that position using an extreme example. Most of the people that say, "But what about the 10 year old that was raped?!?" are not okay with banning elective 1st trimester abortions and are trying to push that position using an extreme example.
     
    No Worries likes this.
  9. durvasa

    durvasa Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    38,893
    Likes Received:
    16,449
    Your position isn’t so clear to me. Would you be in favor of your state taking away a woman’s right to safely end her pregnancy with the help of a doctor in the first trimester? If your answer is qualified, that’s fine, but what would the exceptions be?
     
    Andre0087 likes this.
  10. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281


    Thanks Schumer. And Psaki.
     
  11. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,989
    Likes Received:
    32,259
    So do you agree exceptions should be made, for rape or the health safety of the one bearing the baby? I mean over half a million women and children are raped every year. It would be fair to say a lot of them end up pregnant.

    Yes or No? I don't need a paragraph of legal jargon or defense lawyer babbling.
     
  12. Andre0087

    Andre0087 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    10,030
    Likes Received:
    13,703
    Now if Schumer was saying that to a large crowd outside the Supreme Court while they were in session and announcing their decision and those supporting stormed the building to try and stop that from occurring then maybe I'd say that sounds like a threat or incitement of violence. Possible "Hang Samuel Alito" chants don't have the same ring to it though.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    I am not defending what Trump did. But this goes in the same direction.
     
  14. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2001
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    2,826
    I would eliminate abortion generally. There would be some minor exceptions that account for less than 1% of abortions (life of the mother, maybe something like a child developing with no brain, etc.) My point is that the exceptions are a waste of time to talk about, because there is no agreement on the major issue.
     
  15. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    52,315
    Likes Received:
    45,177
    The only people to blame for this are the GOP and SCOTUS that have decided that they won't protect women who want abortions.

    Taking away rights ALWAYS...ALWAYS...results in violence. 100% of the time. The aggressor, the ones that take away those rights, are always at fault and always spat on by history but history has shown that when people are not given full rights as humans, it will result in violence.

    It makes all the sense in the world that they are this angry, after all, many of these states will charge women for murder if they so choose to have an abortion. Where is the sympathy for those women?
     
  16. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2001
    Messages:
    16,173
    Likes Received:
    2,826
    I would say some of the blame falls on the people that actually did this. Isn't what you are doing literally victim blaming, that Kavanaugh was asking for it when he signed on to a perfectly legitimate draft opinion? Do you think it is a good idea to have people go to the homes of judges and legislators and try to intimidate them for making decisions the protestors do not like?
     
    AroundTheWorld likes this.
  17. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281

    This is an extremist viewpoint.
     
    Invisible Fan likes this.
  18. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    52,315
    Likes Received:
    45,177
    I didn't say it was a good idea or not but this anger is to be expected when you take rights away from people. The whole "Oh, it's just a decision that people will not like." because of this decision women will die.

    No, the extremist viewpoint is the reversal of Roe lol.

    That the right will continue to go further and further with no real-world consequences or anger is a naive point of view. It simply won't happen.

    I'll say it over and over again, when you take rights away from people history consistently shows things get violent. America is no different. So keep tolerating these rights being taken away and expect more division but make sure you blame the people that are actually taking rights away and not the people trying to defend those rights.
     
  19. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,989
    Likes Received:
    32,259
    I don't like it, but it happens all the time. People did that during the pandemic because they didn't approve of mask or lockdown mandates. It happens on both sides of the political spectrum and both sides will continue doing it as long as the law allows it.
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    Anyone who thinks that demonstrating in front of Supreme Court Justices' private homes (in a threatening manner) is ok because you like the cause these folks are demonstrating for is a hypocrite if you were upset about Jan. 6th.

    Yes, Jan. 6th was more violent (so far), but democratic institutions (and the people who represent them) need to be respected, no matter how self-righteous you are about your cause.
     

Share This Page