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[Politico] Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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  1. Reeko

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    How many children are in the foster care system never getting adopted?
     
  2. JayGoogle

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    Also, I will add...we're going to get a lot of polls and data saying this or that, as we've found out, polling is just harder and harder to predict and go on. For every poll that says "GOP has nothing to worry about!" You will have polls that say that opposite, like this one...the one above though is downplaying like a 7 point jump...that's huge in swing states lol. Every Democrat running for Senate would be dancing in the streets if they found out they had a 7 point bump that favored them.

    But here's a poll that says the opposte from a pretty reliable pollster...
    https://news.yahoo.com/new-poll-rev...-on-abortion-ahead-of-midterms-205241999.html
    In the end, I have no idea how large of a role it will play...but I think the idea that it will play a negligible role is way off. How many close elections did we have in 2020? If any party gets even a minor bump in a close election it decides the election.

    We're going to see a lot of polls through the coming months I'm sure the pollsters are frothing at the mouth and they will be interesting
     
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  3. JayGoogle

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    Apparently hundreds of thousands...
     
  4. Astrodome

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    The blue wave could roll on for a few more years.
     
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    Well...the thing is 2018 and 2020 could have even been better for Dems, 2020 they should have won more seats in congress and senate but the GOP eventually has to to broaden their base. All available data shows that people do not change their minds on politics. Sure, you have exceptions, but most people make up their minds about politics before they are like 30 and stick with it. Maybe they move on an issue or two but...

    If the generational trends are any indication the GOP will either have to change their platform on several issues or they will be fighting a pretty big battle on holding control. We're not there yet, obviously, the older generations are still voting, and voting hard, but eventually the GOP should find something to lure young voters to their side.
     
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    No need for states to deicide if they outside evey want abortions in their state. BTW, I'm a believer in the 15 week abortion guidelines but I'm willing to listen to the other side,

    BTW, I'm calling for everybody to gather outside Jenn Psaki's house.
     
  8. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    So you were just using legal sounding words with no substance? Yeah, that sounds about right.
     
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    Isn't he a paralegal or something?
     
  10. Reeko

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    for the 2020 election

    Generation Z, who are currently between the ages of 8 and 23, played a significant role in both of these records. NBC exit polls suggest that 65% of those between the ages of 18 and 24 voted for Biden — 11% more than any other age group.

    And in states like Georgia and Pennsylvania, young voters proved to be key to Biden's success.

    "I've been doing demographic analysis about the changing American electorate for two decades," says Simon Rosenberg, president of NDN (previously known as the New Democrat Network) and the New Policy Institute. "53% to 55% of registered 18 to 29-year-olds appear to have voted. That may be the highest ever recorded in the modern era of politics."

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    we’ll see what happens, especially if states start doing what Louisiana wants to do and women start getting charged with murder for having an abortion at any time after fertilization
     
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    people like Ben Shapiro already calling for same-sex marriage to be overturned next

    the youth of America are also the most tolerant and accepting of LGBTQ+

    the GOP won’t stop there either, they want to return America to the 1950s where no one had rights except for straight white men and hate was the norm and rule of law
     
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    If you want to claim a victory on proper legal latin takes go ahead and spike the football ad infinitum brother
     
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    Quite embarrassing for SamFisher. Desperately tried to sound smart and got exposed.

    Down goes the ambulance chaser.
     
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    Yes polls can be all over the place depending on methodology so I don't put much stock in them particularly this far out from the election.

    The way I look at it is that yes the odds are still not in favor of Democrats for the reasons that are most often cited, inflation and crime problems, Biden's unpopularity, and historically the party in power does poorly in midterms. Why I think if this is the ruling and especially if the trigger laws go into effect and are enforced could be a game changer is that the Republicans are not running candidates on a broader based appeal. They are running that 2020 was stolen, Fauci should be fired / prosecuted, and other issues that get their base worked up. They've already decided it's more important to get their base out rather than try to win over swing voters. Instead they are hoping that the other side turnout is depressed. An issue like banning abortion will get the other side to turnout.

    Whether that is enough to overcome the other advantages that the GOP has such as gerrymandering is to be seen but given how close many of these races will be this could tip things over to the Democrats.
     
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    History has shown some really well-written and coldly logical laws that were, when practiced, barbaric and horrific by any moral measure. But hey summus quinctus!

    uel humilus quinctus
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    More like the 1920s Jim Crow era with state sponsored violence and terrorism to enforce the system.

    It's more or less Putin's Russia but with Trump instead
     
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    im annoyed at the fact that we are even having to have this discussion.

    i disagree with the argument that it will only resonate with people who already agree with you. there are plenty of pro-lifers out there who dont think that a woman should be forced to carry their rapists baby to term. most normal people can recognize how monstrous and evil that is.

    pointing out what these religious extremists are trying to "shove down our throats" (term i always hear from right wingers when government does things they dont like) will make many pro-lifers think twice about going along with something so wrong. and i do think saying that will win people over to a more reasonable position. the fenceline is pretty clear here and we should be making people figure out which side they want to be on.

    i think its a very good thing that republican politicians are being asked to go on record on whether or not they think a woman should be forced to carry their rapists baby to term. lets be very blunt and direct about what is happening here and maybe enough reasonable and non-extremist pro-lifers will change their mind. ask everyone of these republican politicians if they believe a woman should be forced to give birth to their rapists baby. ask them over and over again and make them respond. lets get it out there on the record and let the american public judge them.

    look at the press conference mitch mcturtle gave this week. he was asked over and over again about being forced to carry a rapists baby and like the political hack he is, kept refusing to answer, instead saying he only wanted to talk about the leak. these republican politicians know that its wrong, they know the vast majority of the american people dont agree and they need to be held to account for it. the more its talked about the more people will realize how wrong it is.
     
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    i guess you didnt actually watch the video you posted b/c thats not what she said.

    it was a non-answer to a direct question and a weak response imo, but your meme is lying.
     
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    So, why can't you debate it in a respectful way, @No Worries ? You weren't arguing with me. You were talking to someone who was just stating his opinion and trying to back it up with arguments, without getting personal at all. You responded angrily, calling his post "horsecrap" etc. That's different from responding to someone "in kind" who has a history of making it personal.

    I have noticed that in the Covid debate and on other issues, your posts clearly show a lot more anger and radicalization recently. In fact, you weren't posting much in the D&D at all, and suddenly, you have become this angry, bitter old man. I have always been one of the poo flingers. You haven't really.
     

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