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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ThatBoyNick, Feb 10, 2022.

  1. ksny15

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    You missed have missed the CP years here. Look it up. Hamstring injuries take a lot of time depending on the severity. Plus he re injured it again this season.
     
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    Hamstring tears are a nightmare.

    I had a Grade 2 tear on mine caused by trying to change directions going up the floor with the ball.

    For 12 weeks I wasn't allowed to run or jog, or do anything but walk.

    Week 13, I started boxing classes again. And during the session one of the activities we had to do was a few punches, jog backwards for 10m then get down and do a pushup then jog - I can't reiterate this enough - jog - forwards again to the partner and throw a few punches then rinse and repeat.

    The very first rep as soon as I got up from the pushup and went push off the leg - it had been 13 weeks to this point - I tore it again straight away.

    Obviously I didn't have all the medical staff and treatment available that Harden does to aid in the healing, but just emphasising that hamstring injuries aren't a joke.

    Still to this day when I jog (i've stopped playing basketball because of it) I can feel exactly where the tear is and it's almost as if it's a warning that it's going to tear again.

    It's a pain in the ass.

    Also: no doubt you're right with the last part of your post.
     
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    i would have loved if Sacramento or somebody would give him max it would be fun to watch harden as no 1 again...perhaps this is his best role even if he cant win it all as no 1 option....
     
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    He should probably focus on rehabbing and his diet. Didn't really seem to do that because as has been pointed out multiple times, Harden was more interested in hanging out with his rapper buddies. Nothing wrong with choosing to do that but here are the consequences of that choice.
     
  6. ksny15

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    100% Harden needs to put into focus this off season what his priorities are. He needs to take better care of his body and rehab this off season that's it. But like I said hamstring injuries are no joke and can take a full year to recover from doing it the right way like CP. Harden doing things the wrong way only extendeds that timeline if recovery is even possible
     
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    https://theathletic.com/3296694/2022/05/06/james-harden-contract-option-max/

    James Harden has been the focal point of the NBA’s biggest in-season trade each of the past two years. He and the Philadelphia 76ers now find themselves months away from a truly fascinating offseason; Harden has a lucrative player option, and Daryl Morey has the opportunity to retool the franchise around the pairing of Joel Embiid and Harden. This situation has some notable nuances that can be confusing, so this is a great time to put together a question-and-answer session addressing some of the key elements.

    So, what is the deal with Harden’s player option?

    It appears Harden neither picked up nor declined his $47.4 million player option for 2022-23 as a part of the trade-deadline megadeal, and that opens up flexibility for both sides. It also theoretically creates the chance he’ll opt out and leave, but that feels incredibly unlikely.

    What is the most Harden can make, and how can that happen?

    Typically, a player’s maximum salary on a new contract depends solely on his years of experience in the NBA and the salary cap amount for that season, with 25 percent, 30 percent and 35 percent of the cap serving as the three thresholds in the current collective bargaining agreement. At the $122 million cap projection for 2022-23, that would mean a $42.7 million starting salary for a player like Harden with 10 or more years of experience.

    However, the CBA includes an exception to this framework for those at the very top of the salary scale; a player is allowed to get a 5 percent raise on his salary from the previous season, even if that puts him above the “normal” max line. Because Harden made $44.3 million in 2021-22, he is permitted to sign a new contract starting at $46.5 million, even though that is well over the 35 percent max. With the 76ers, that starting salary with 8 percent annual raises works out to a five-year, $269.9 million contract.

    Now, you may be wondering, “Wait, that $46.5 million is less than Harden’s player option, right?” That is exactly the right thought. Though the CBA allows that special exception to the max for free agents coming off huge salaries, remember that Harden does not have to become a free agent this summer, and the per-season raise on his current contract is more than 5 percent. As such, the absolute most Harden could secure this offseason is via opting in and then extending off $47.4 million rather than $46.5 million. That leads to a maximum total contact value of $274.7 million over five seasons including the opt-in, about $5 million more than the other framework.

    What if Harden is willing to take less than his absolute maximum? How would that work?

    The CBA is pretty flexible when it comes to players making less than their richest possible deal, so a sub-max Harden contract could take many different forms. The important thing to remember is the first season of a new contract is key for setting the parameters. Because the 76ers have Harden’s Bird rights, they can start him at any salary from his minimum to that $46.5 million maximum. From there, that contract can increase or decrease by as much as 8 percent of that first-year salary in every subsequent year of the contract.

    Let’s say Harden and Morey agree to a $40 million salary for 2022-23 as a part of a new contract. Eight percent of that is $3.2 million, so each season after the first one, his salary could increase up to $3.2 million from the prior year, decrease up to $3.2 million or land anywhere in between.

    The biggest limitation with this is the 8 percent cap on year-to-year shifts, because that means the contract can have some ebbs and flows but no truly huge swings. Those swings can be used to accomplish other goals, like temporarily ducking the luxury tax or more dramatically lowering Harden’s salary late in the contract when his level of play will likely be well below the current standard. That matters far more to the 76ers than Harden, especially because the way negotiations may go is that they might hammer out the pure financial terms (years, dollars, guarantees, etc.) but then let Morey structure the deal in the fashion that makes the most sense with his vision for the team’s books.

    Is there any other way Harden’s next contract could work?

    Yes, and it is my absolute favorite structure if Harden is willing to take less than his maximum.

    Above, I talked about the idea that Harden and Morey will focus their negotiation on the key pieces: how much money over how long, options and whether or not the whole contract will be fully guaranteed. In a scenario where Harden is willing to take meaningfully less than his maximum, the CBA’s 8 percent limit on year-to-year increases may limit Morey’s choices more than he would prefer. However, a Harden opt-in opens up another ambitious possibility: a version of super-frontloading Harden’s next contract where that $47.4 million option stays on the Sixers’ books but then future seasons drop off significantly. As discussed above, the CBA gives significantly more latitude when it comes to players taking less, and that really comes into play on extensions.

    Theoretically, Harden’s salary could drop to whatever negotiated amount they wanted for 2023-24, then the 8 percent year-to-year restrictions would come in on that first new salary.

    Let’s say, theoretically, Harden was willing to take $35 million per season over five years rather than his full maximum. On a brand new contract starting in 2022-23, that could look like this:

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    However, using the player option, the two sides could structure the same overall money this way:

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    That second path is preferable for Harden because he’d get more money sooner (especially considering the time value of money). It could potentially be better for the 76ers, too, as they would likely pay the tax in 2022-23, then avoid it as early as 2023-24 and move well clear of it in 2024-25 when Tobias Harris’ contract comes off the books — right ahead of a significant contract for breakout star Tyrese Maxey. Now, this requires Harden being willing to accept that lowered overall payout, and that may not be in the cards. Still, it is a fascinating hypothetical that could really change things for the franchise down the line.

    What about the extend-and-trade rules?

    This CBA rule only comes into play if Harden opts in, because extend-and-trade restrictions do not affect free agents signing contracts less than six months after they were traded to their new team. However, if Harden opts in and the two sides build an extension off that, they can only temporarily add up to two new seasons and do up to 5 percent raises on that $47.4 player option. Again, the CBA is on board with a player making a lower salary but the limitation of two new seasons presumably makes any immediate extension untenable, though only for part of the offseason.

    That said, because extend-and-trade restrictions last six months after the transaction, Harden and the 76ers cannot formally put pen to paper on a higher-end extension built off that opt-in until August 10, 2022. However, the two sides can absolutely come to an understanding of what that contract would look like, and, in fact, they would have to do so because Harden’s player option decision comes before the league year turns over in July. Still, that is a temporary inconvenience rather than a limitation.

    What about the Over-38 rule?

    Harden can thank former teammate Chris Paul, as the previous CBA limited contracts for players as they approached their age-36 season, but the players pushed that back to 38. Since Harden is 32 now and does not turn 33 until August, the over-38 rule would not affect him.
     
  9. ThatBoyNick

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    A new TV deal kicks in 2025 which should make this a bit easier to handle for the 76ers
     
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    Top 75 :eek:o_O

    Okay so they're talking about that 75 all timer list but that discussion is moot because he got the consideratiom based on what he has done in the past, not based on what he's doing right now.

    First take, though it has always been bad, has fallen off a cliff.
     
  12. DatRocketFan

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    Idk how this is even a question. Is harden still a top 75 player? (Current active 75 right?)
    Folks like to act that Harden is literally a washed up bum sitting on the bench.

    I haven't watched harden play but just looking at his season averaging.
    Mins. 37.0
    Ppg. 22.5
    Fg. 41.4
    Rebound. 8.0
    Assist. 10.2

    Its safe to say hes still can ball just not as well as he did when he was on the Rockets.

    If it's wondering if he still belong in the top 75 of all time, then yeah...... man is literally one of the greatest offensive player to grace the court. Just bc he's faltering rn doesn't bump him off.
     
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  13. Rocket River

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    He tried to play on it last year in the playoffs .. . (Kyrie didn't even think about trying)
    He probably should have just sat out . . . .

    Rocket River
     
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    I think the big thing is . .. I looked at the Box Scores for these first two games

    Game 1:
    Jimmy 15 pts 9 reb 3 asst 2 stls 2 TO
    James 16 pts 9 rebs 5 asst 0 stls 5 TO

    Game 1:
    Jimmy 22 pts 6 reb 12 asst 2 stls 2 TO
    James 20 pts 4 rebs 9 asst 0 stls 3 TO

    Which one is washed again?
    Let me guess. . . Eye Test

    Rocket River
     
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    Good job. Now tell me Harden’s FG% and 3PT %. Also, he’s got double the turnovers of Butler in addition to the 2 to 3 times per game where he dribbles the ball down to 4 seconds or less before attempting a terrible step back 3 or passing it to a teammate for a terrible rushed shot. Those wasted possessions are basically turnovers. Not hating here…he’s literally the only one that does that on a consistent basis.

    Eye test? You don’t even have to do a test. If you have working eyes you’d see Butler is in elite condition. He’s actually been looking more explosive than ever dunking and slamming lobs. Harden? At least 25 pounds over weight, slow, no lift and can’t get by anybody with his wide ass. They’re both 32… Harden literally looks and moves like he’s 10 years older.
     
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    Yet Jimmy's production is about the same as James'
    His teammates are just hitting more shots.

    Rocket River
     
  17. astrosrule

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    Na if the guy misses the open 3 harden sets up its harden’s fault
     
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    how is that even possible when Butler was pick no. 30 and Harden was picked 3rd overall ?
    analytics where are you?
     
  20. hakeem94

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    actually the passing person is a lot of times responsible for what % the teammate he's passed to hits...
    not all passes are created equal and certainly the chemistry between the two matters
     

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