I do not believe that "long Covid" poses a meaningful risk to the vast majority of children. Here is a fairly balanced article on the topic. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048984/battle-over-long-covid-children/
You sure have a whole lotta unfinished thoughts. What about the child's parents and grandparents etc? They could die or have long covid as well. What about the 1 in 10,000 child (aka the one who just missed being in the vast majority) that dies? I am sure your deeply held believes will assuage the parent's grief. I am sure your response will be ... something something mask never worked something something Fauci something something 2020 picture implying that is 2022 something something
Welp made it this long but last weekend my number came up. I was triple vaxed - last vax was 4 months ago, in good shape, took vitamin supplements and got plenty of sun (vitamin D) and I was type O. According to the "scientists" I should have been good or had only mild symptoms. It kicked my butt. I haven't been that sick in decades. I was going to check myself into the hospital at one point because it got that bad but my procrastination of give my body more time to fight it made me just ride it out at home. Spit constantly to keep the mucus from going into your lungs. I think the vax probably worked pretty good against Delta but this virus mutates so much that the vaccines can't keep up. I'm adding covid vax to my list of hard pass shots. I always skipped out on flu shots and I haven't gotten the flu since the 90s. What good did all that do me? Keep me from dying? Not sure they have the proof that did that for me. BTW - my almost 2 year old grand daughter got covid too. Symptoms on the same day. It appears that the DIL's 30 year old B-Day party was where we picked it up. The mom and dad who aren't vaxed? Nada. Not just no symptoms - no covid. The other grand parents - 1 overweight and 1 only has 1 lung after having 1 removed from cancer and their quad son they take care of (can't cough) were all there - not vaxed. Nada. I'm SUPER glad they are all ok but according to scientists this should have all been the opposite. And I'm not some far right wing nut that doesn't believe in science. Obviously I did to get vaccinated 3 times and each time I got a "kick" from each vax. But these "scientists" don't know what/why/how when it comes to Covid. You can't keep up on mutations so focus on treatment. Maybe you'll have better luck there.
Sorry to hear it kicked your butt and glad you recovered. I think there are a lot of breakthroughs right now, and I think, as miraculous as the RNA vaccines have been, they weaken over time. Sadly, most of the recent breakthroughs I know of with this new mutation came right around the 4-month mark. We will never know if you would have died without any of those shots -- we can't run that experiment unless you had an identical twin with identical experiences but no shots. Statistically, you are much more likely to stay out of a hospital and survive if you've been vaxed and boosted. Not trying to convince you of anything, but for anyone reading: any single data point deserves larger context. I don't think it's quite right to say scientists "don't know what they're doing" with COVID. They've learned a ****-ton and are still working on it every day. But I totally agree with @ArtV that the mutations are a b**** and are hard to track in real time. You just can't accumulate data fast enough. Focusing on treatments will be a big part of this moving forward (like a tamiflu or whatever for COVID), and I think there are some really good prospects on that front, (and thanks, biologists, for that too).
https://www.who.int/data/stories/gl...ated-with-covid-19-january-2020-december-2021 Confirmed by WHO: Sweden and other Scandinavian countries and Switzerland (almost no "measures") did far better in terms of excess mortality.
That article doesn't rule out Long COVID and does state that it is hard to define. The main thing it says is that more study is needed.
Started feeling like crap suddenly last night so out of precaution took a COVID test this morning and came up negative. I'm thinking more just suffering from allergies, stress and a recent martial arts injury that has been making it hard for me to sleep. I can't say for certain but still believe that being triple vaccinated has kept me COVID free for months including traveling many times and getting a lot of exposure including to people who have tested positive for COVID. Sorry to hear about your situation ArtV but there is plenty of variation both from mutations of COVID but also among individuals. It's certainly possible that people who have been triple or even quadrupled vaxed could still get it and possibly severely. Most evidence shows that for the majority of people being vaccinated will lead to milder infection. Also we have to remember this is a novel virus that no one had even seen prior to December 2019. That we've learned so much about it and have many treatments for it now does show that scientists do know a lot about it and are learning more.
There's a lot of extremists who are anti-vax and anti-mask who think COVID is not big deal, but the reality is that the research is just beginning. There's a lot of data that the virus affects people's brains across age groups in ways that result in the early onset of debilitating diseases. In 15 years, we may have a rash of people developing Alzheimer and Parkinson disease.
Why do you say that Switzerland had almost no 'measures'? As far as I can find, these measures were in place in Switzerland at some point in the pandemic: - masks required at all public transportation and health care facility - masks required at all shops, restaurants, cultural venues, public settings and events - masks required at workplaces - mandatory isolation period for those have been infected or had close contact with an infected person (10 day initially, later decreased to 5 days) - mandate to show proof of vaccination or prove of recovery for indoor gatherings - maximum of 10 people in indoor gathering if at least one person is not vaccinated - maximum of 30 people if everyone is vaccinated - maximum outdoor gathering limit of 50 people - require people to work from home if possible Those restrictions seem more strict than most states in the US to me.
I was in Switzerland many times during the pandemic. They didn't have kindergartens and schools closed when Germany did, for many months. There were tons of people out in the streets and in restaurants and bars partying with zero masks when Germany had completely locked everything down, everything was closed, masks, etc. etc. Switzerland had some of the measures you listed in some cantons for some time, but for much shorter periods of time and in general, they just had a much less heavy-handed approach than Germany.
I see. So it's 'almost no measures' compared to Germany. It's still quite a hyperbole to say it's 'almost no measures' IMO though. The mandates I listed are significantly stricter than the measures I experienced in Texas.
One thing that appears very obvious is that having an overall healthy population with a strong public health system greatly helps.
What youre saying follows the theory that the vaccine zaps your immune system making it weaker. All of the double and triple vaxxed people I know get sick more often now than they ever have in their lives. Meanwhile the unvaxxed purebloods arent getting sick. Looks like those vitamins, sunlight, healthier diets, and exercise is paying off vs going the vax route. Also it's important to remember science is always meant to be questioned. If we didnt then there wouldnt be science. Thats why the folks who spoke out about the vaccine (many doctors and scientists) should have never been censored. But they all were by the media, social media, medical boards, and many had their credentials revoked. A year later and what they were saying is all coming true.
