[Politico] Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

I have colleagues who list 10 or more of those kinds of affiliations in their email signatures, and for the most part those affiliations are just empty filler. But if folks want to think those affiliations signify something of greater importance than they actually warrant, that's cool with me.

 

Yes, my opinion is for me to decide.

As for this case. Chronically, it's "going backward" to pre-1973. It's not going too far backward. The Catholic church once see abortion as a miracle performed by saints (the idea that abortion was always traditionally looked upon badly by history is plain wrong). The criminalization of abortion in the US didn't start until the 1820s. Specifically, in the US, it's going back to a period of pre-1973 and post 1820. The leaked opinion that abortion was criminalized from the very early days through 1973 is a historical lie.

On the danger. I already mentioned where the next steps will logically follow after this. States will consider banning contraception and whatever else that is on shaky legal grounds that they deem 'morally unacceptable'. The danger here is not just to individual rights that we recently gained in the last 100 years, but the real impact on the human being (vs the insistence that a lump of cells is a human). Last I checked, the abortion rate and maternal death rate have gone down and are lower today than the pre-1973 decision. You can thx that to a number of factors including safe access to abortion, contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies, medical advancements, sex education to further reduce unwanted pregnancies, and so on. Making abortion illegal will cause an increase in the maternal death rate and eventually increase the abortion rate (once birth control and emergency contraception are made illegal or much harder to access).

In a real democracy, the people would be the decider. Gov of the people, by the people, for the people. We got some big problems there with the current state of minority rule and degradation of voting rights and fair representation.

 

"The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."

D. Barnhart

 

And you are STILL talking about the damn leak. The Chief Justice confirmed it's authenticity.. so who gives a sh$t??? Why are you continuing to serve GOP propaganda tactics to deflect?

I don't care about what you have to say about the leaker. I want people like yourself to actually discuss the matter at hand which is a women's right to her own body.

 

Premium post.

 

Okay, so now you are saying it is reasonable to ask people, even kids, to wear masks to help stop the spread of a deadly disease.

I am so confused....

 

It is no one's business unless they are willing to step up and care for that baby for life. No one should be able to dictate to a woman about her body, she should not be forced to term, if she doesn't want a baby.

This is just OLD WHITE DUDES trying to control women again.

DD

 

So would you support the right of a woman to have an abortion when she is dilating already?

 

Yes, you clearly are confused.

Whatever point you are unsuccessfully trying to make, you are failing miserably at it.

 

We can't decide ethical things like this.....that is not my business or yours.

How I feel doesn't matter, this is an individual matter of a woman and her body, the state should have no sway over that, anymore than they do a man getting a vasectomy....it is a choice.



DD

 

If a woman is in the process of giving birth, it is no longer an abortion. No need to sensationalize things.

 

So you would say it should be legal for a woman to abort the unborn baby when she is already dilating?

I just want to make sure I understand your position.

 

What about a day earlier?

Where would you draw the line?

 

Just to be clear I would support a WOMAN TO MAKE HER OWN CHOICE - yes.

DD

 

So you would draw the line there. I don't agree with that. I mean, the child is basically fully developed. 10 minutes later and it would be murder/manslaughter.

 

No one cares



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Because so many people decide to have an abortion 10 minutes before giving birth.

 

Not trying to make a point, I am trying to understand your general position on government.

It is wildly inconsistent and extremely confusing.

Over the last month or so you made an entire platform on the authoritarianism that is making kids wear masks, comparing it to brutal dictatorships, etc.

Okay, I don't necessarily agree, but I respect the position that some people just don't want the government dictating literally anything when it comes to personal freedoms. I am completely fine with that view.

Then, you claimed to be a fan of Desantis, and in fact took it to an extreme, noting that it was winning that he restored the personal freedoms related to Covid control. I get it, no problem with those two positions, they are consistent.

But then I asked, since you seemed to really be focusing the fear of totalitarian governments and losing freedoms, how you put aside the book censorship, the LBGQ censorship, the Disney retaliation that Desantis is also championing, and you laughed it off, citing it does not affect anyone, and it is ridiculous to compare those things the oppression of the CCP / Putin. Hmm, okay. I thought it was odd to be so far in support of one part of that position, and yet so disinterested in a related portion. But sure, maybe there is some distinction here I don't get that separates masks and voting rights / censorship, etc. .

I actually found you incredibly interesting, because of those inconsistencies, and I was eager to see you show in this thread, because I wasn't sure what your position would be. I pondered if you would start your post with "The GOP has failed Women", in fact that was my guess.

But now, in what seems to be a complete 180, on the topic of abortion, you seemed to have completely abandoned your totalitarian fears, and cited it being a complicated position. Again, not an unreasonable position in a vacuum, in fact that would be how I would summarize my position on the Covid mandates...its complicated. Yet, when viewed in aggregate with your previous arguments, just don't make sense. The only thing that I can logically make sense at this point is that you simply value the life and freedom for certain groups more than others, which I certainly hope isn't true.